Man of Sin revealed

[InSpiritInTruth]

Nighthawkeye, Truly you misrepresent what the Lord was showing in that parable, which had nothing to do with money, but rather true riches that only come from God.

In Luke 16:10-11 Jesus said; " He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. If therefore you have not been faithful in the( unrighteous money,) who will commit to your trust the( true riches.")

First thing notice Jesus called mans money( unrighteous), but then he speaks of ( true riches.) So would a righteous God require you to serve him with that( unrighteous) money? I think not.

In Luke 16:13 Jesus said; no servant can serve 2 masters, for either you will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You ( cannot serve God and money.)

Those true riches Jesus spoke of are those spiritual gifts he gives to his children to profit the whole body.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Nighthawkeye, Truly you misrepresent what the Lord was showing in that parable, which had nothing to do with money, but rather true riches that only come from God.

Well, I'm open to admonishment, InSpiritInTruth ...

In Luke 16:10-11 Jesus said; " He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. If therefore you have not been faithful in the( unrighteous money,) who will commit to your trust the( true riches.")

OK. Let's look at your parable choice then ... the complete parable so that nothing is taken out of context.

Luke 16:1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.
5 So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
6 And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.
9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
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Clearly, the steward was not acting in his lord's best interests ...

10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
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Hmm ... he that is unjust in small things ... like the steward ... will be unjust with large things ... seems pretty clear ...

11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
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Whoa ... if one is not faithful with another's money ... then how can one be trusted with true riches?

12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
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And since you brought up true riches ...

Luke 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
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45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
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Hmm ... treasures from the heart ... sounds about right to me ...

Those true riches Jesus spoke of are those spiritual gifts he gives to his children to profit the whole body.

Can't disagree with that ...

Please let me know if you think I misrepresented anything, InSpiritInTruth.


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[InSpiritInTruth]

No, I believe you proved my point quite well, thank you. Peace.

 

[NightHawkeye]

No, I believe you proved my point quite well, thank you. Peace.

Glad I was able to help out with your point.

Matthew 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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[Husky7]

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 we are told before the coming of the Lord there is to first come a falling away, and that man of sin shall be revealed. This falling away point pertains to the fullness of the Gentiles, but who is the man of sin? If we go back to Genesis 1:27 we see in the beginning God created man in his own image. We know by scripture that God is a spirit, and that he is the invisible God. So we know, and understand by this that God was not talking about an outward image, but rather an inward image.

Jesus told us to be( perfect), just as your Father in heaven is( perfect.) So by this we see, in the beginning man was created in the image of a ( perfect) God. With that let us go to Ezekiel 28:15 where the Lord is speaking to the evil one himself. The Lord said; " Thou wast( perfect) in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee. So who is the Lord talking to in this manner?

If you go back to verse 13 we see( this man) was in the Garden of Eden. Now some might think this is refering to Satan, but if you go back to Ezekiel 28:2 we see the Lord refers to him as( a man). The Lord tells this man, because his heart is lifted up, he has said I am a God, I sit in the seat of God. Meaning because of mans pride he has lifted up his heart against the Word of God, and has put his own ideas in the place of Gods Word. And this is just what the serpent told the man in the beginning; that he would be like God if he ate from the tree of knowledge.

This sitting in the seat of God means he has put himself in the place of God. And if we go back to 2 Thessalonians 2:4 we see this man of sin would exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the ( temple of God), showing himself that he is God. So what is the temple of God? In 1 Corithians 3:16 we see that we are the Temple of God. And we see in 1 Corinthians 6:19 that our body is to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit, which is made for God to dwell in.

Also in 2 Corinthians 6:16 we see the Lord said he would dwell in this temple of our body. But we are also told in 1 Corinthians 3:17 that if any man defiles this Temple,( him shall God destroy). So in the beginning God gave us this Temple, or Body, so that He might dwell in all his children. But the fleshy nature of man decided he knew better than God, and so then the iniquity entered, and man set himself up in the place of God.

We know by Romans 5:12 that by this first man Adam sin entered in, and by this sin came death; and this first sinful nature was passed on to all men. So we see the first state of man is to born to the flesh, that is to say he is carnally minded. It is written; to be carnally minded( is death), but to be (spiritually minded is life) and peace. Jesus said; that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of spirit is spirit. Showing how the first man is born flesh, but the born again man is made spiritual by way of God's Holy Spirit.

In Genesis 6:3 the Lord said; my Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is ( flesh.) It is this fleshy spirit that rules in the first-born man. For in Galations 5:17 we see the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. So the Lord showed us in the story Noah and the flood, and the story of the Exodus from Egypt, how all the( firstborn,) and all those who are born of (the flesh) must die.

That is also why Jesus said; ( flesh and blood) shall not inherit the kingdom of God. And that is also why he said that except a man be born again of the Spirit, he shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. The Lord showed over and over in scripture how the first-born fleshy state of man would not be accepted of God. Just as with Esau, who sold out his birthright to feed his own fleshy desire. Just as Judas, who was a sign of that son of perdition, would also sell out the( Word of God) made flesh for his own personal gain.

So we see in all these examples the Lord has given us how all those who are still living in the flesh, which is the spirit of this world; shall also perish.

For instead of accepting the knowledge that only comes from God by faith in his Word, they have gone about to set up themselves through their own carnal way of thinking. And the man-made fleshy church is no diffferent. In Mark 7:13 Jesus told those hypocrites of his day; " You have made the Word of God of none effect through your traditions."

Truly man has sold out the Truth over profits, and personal gain, and has even changed the Truth to justify himself in his own eyes. Truly they have turned the Fathers House into a den of thieves.

All those who are not anointed with the ( oil) of the Holy Spirit, and are not washed in the blood, or ( wine) of the Lamb of God, will go into destruction.

Romans 8:13; " For if you live after the ( flesh) you shall ( die): but if through (the Spirit) do put to death the deeds of the body, ( you shall live.)

So essentially, you're saying that the "man of sin" ISN'T the harlot of Babylon/Beast out of the Sea/Antichrist? The man of sin is not just one specific man or power? Is that right? I just want clarification..

 

[Husky7]

I don't mean to pop your bubble but the man of sin is an actual person, a man, who is the leader of a large coalition government and is empowered by the devil.

How else can the man stand in the temple of God and proclaim himself to be God, eh?

How else can he make war, entering Egypt, command armies, force submission, change the economic system, and have everybody bow down and worship him?

The temple of God in NT times (our time) is anyone who's a believer. The temple of God no longer means a physical building.

 

[Hismessenger]

The man of sin can't be revealed until he who restrains is taken out of the way. Who is it that restrains? It is he who does not want the truth to be revealed and when he is removed off the scene, the light of truth will shine through revealing the man of sin. The one who has believed Satan's lies. It isn't just one individual as many believe.

hismessenger

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Husky7, the spirit that works in the harlot, the beast, the anti-Christ, and the world is the spirit of the first-born man, which is the spirit of the flesh.

All who are not born again of Gods Holy Spirit shall go into destruction.

Hismessanger, He who now lets, and will let is God. God is the one who allowed this fleshy minded man to rule this world for a time. But the Lord promised in the beginning that his Spirit would not always strive with man.

 

[Husky7]

Husky7, the spirit that works in the harlot, the beast, the anti-Christ, and the world is the spirit of the first-born man, which is the spirit of the flesh.

All who are not born again of Gods Holy Spirit shall go into destruction.

Hismessanger, He who now lets, and will let is God. God is the one who allowed this fleshy minded man to rule this world for a time. But the Lord promised in the beginning that his Spirit would not always strive with man.

Ok...you really didn't answer my question. Do you believe that the man of sin is the harlot of Babylon(a.k.a. the antichrist or beast out of the sea) or not? If not, is the harlot/antichrist/beast out of the sea) an actual religio-political power, or is it something different?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes, all of the above. You see it is the (mind set) of the man of sin that rules this present world, which is the (mind of the flesh.) It is at work in all Nations, and peoples, in false religion, politics, governments, institutions, organizations, etc.

It is written, to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. This carnal mind set is the same mind set that wars against the Spirit of God. When we are born into this world we are born into it with a( fleshy spirit) working in us, this is the( mind of man.) That is why we must be born again of Gods Spirit.

In Romans 8:5 it says those who are born after the flesh, do mind the things of the flesh. This is the spirit of the man of sin, which is natural. Then the rest of the verse goes on to say; " but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." This is the mind set of God, which is Spiritual.

This first-born nature in man is shown in Ephesians 2:3; " Among whom also( we all had) our conversation in times past in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were ( by nature) the (children of wrath,) even as others."

So you see it is this( spiritual fleshy mind set) that is working in man that wars against the righteousness of God.

In Ephesians 6:12 we are told; " For we wrestle( not against flesh and blood,) but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against ( spiritual wickedness) in high places.

So you see it is not a literal man, or group of men we are at war with; but it is the (spiritual wickedness) that works in man who is the enemy.

 

[Husky7]

Yes, all of the above. You see it is the (mind set) of the man of sin that rules this present world, which is the (mind of the flesh.) It is at work in all Nations, and peoples, in false religion, politics, governments, institutions, organizations, etc.

It is written, to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. This carnal mind set is the same mind set that wars against the Spirit of God. When we are born into this world we are born into it with a( fleshy spirit) working in us, this is the( mind of man.) That is why we must be born again of Gods Spirit.

In Romans 8:5 it says those who are born after the flesh, do mind the things of the flesh. This is the spirit of the man of sin, which is natural. Then the rest of the verse goes on to say; " but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit." This is the mind set of God, which is Spiritual.

This first-born nature in man is shown in Ephesians 2:3; " Among whom also( we all had) our conversation in times past in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were ( by nature) the (children of wrath,) even as others."

So you see it is this( spiritual fleshy mind set) that is working in man that wars against the righteousness of God.

In Ephesians 6:12 we are told; " For we wrestle( not against flesh and blood,) but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against ( spiritual wickedness) in high places.

So you see it is not a literal man, or group of men we are at war with; but it is the (spiritual wickedness) that works in man who is the enemy.

What do you believe the antichrist to be then? Is it just one religo-political power, or is THE antichrist many antichrist's if that makes sense?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

1 John 4:3; " And ( every spirit) that confesses not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God: and this is ( that spirit) of the anti-christ.

First thing notice, (every spirit) means more than one, also notice that anti-christ is also ( a spirit) not a flesh and blood man.

Also notice at the end of 1 John 4:3 we are told that this ( spirit) of the anti-christ was( already in the world) during the time of the apostles.

So yes there are many, and (this spirit) has been around ever since Christ was made flesh. In 2 John 1:7 we see this very truth; " For ( many decievers) are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus has come in the flesh. This is a deciever and an anti-christ.

People are looking for things to come, that have already come. But that just goes to show you the power of (the spirit) of deception.

 

[Barraco]

The temple of God in NT times (our time) is anyone who's a believer. The temple of God no longer means a physical building.

Not only is the temple of God a believer, but it is the congregation of believers. It is a church.

That is why a falling away needed to happen before the man of sin could reveal himself. There needed to be a schism in the Church (there have been many schims in the Church throughout history). Once that happened, new leadership could arise and new doctrines could be introduced.

I'd say that has happened many times now.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Lucifer/Satan is also referred to as a man also in Isaiah. Both Satan{the fallen angel,and the anti-Christ man who he will possess):

Isaiah 14:12-16 (KJV)Isa 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer(the angel), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man{the anti-Christ} that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
A lot of people never even know about this Revelation in Isaiah of "the man" who satan becomes the flesh of! Which perfectly accords with Ezekiel's description:Ezekiel 28:12-17 (KJV)Eze 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Notice how Lucifer is called the son of the morning, just as Jesus is called the bright and the morning star. This shows how Lucifer would become the false light, which would mimick the True Light. Meaning he would take on the image of truth, but really he would teach lies through his deception. Just as we are told in scripture he would be transformed into a minister of light, but would be a false light.

Just as the sun was a sign of the True light, and would minister to the children of light. So also the moon would be a lessor light, and would minister to the children of darkness. The sun has no shadow of turning, but the moon has a dark side.

The man the Lord was refering to in Ezekiel 28:13 is (the spirit) of the first born man which was in the Garden of Eden. Adam was the only man in the garden, but it was (the spirit of the serpent) that entered into the man, which is (the spirit of the flesh.) Man was the one who God created perfect from his conception, because in the beginning we are told that ( man) was created in the image of God. But as the Lord said in Ezekiel 28:15; that was " until iniquity was found in thee."

The reason the Lord called him the covering cherub was because man would cover up, or overshadow the truth by his own fleshy doctrine. This covering Cherub was shown in the design of the Tabernacle with the 2 cheribums that would overshadow the mercy seat. But if you will notice, these 2 would be formed out of 1 beaten work. These 2 coming from 1 was shown in Genesis 5:2 with man and woman. Notice even though there was 2, the Lord called them by 1 name, which is the name of the first man, or Adam.

It was this spirit in man that would cause him to trangress, just as the Lord said in Genesis 6:3; how his spirit would not always (strive with man,) for that he also ( is flesh). Just as it written the mind of the flesh wars against the mind of God's Spirit. In this we see the difference between the spirit of darkness, and the spirit of Light. The anti-christ is a spirit, just as Satan is ( a spirit) sent forth to rule in the children of the flesh.

In Matthew 16:23 we see this very truth in Peter. After Peter had rebuked the Lord concerning the events of his death, Jesus said to Peter; Get thee behind me Satan: for thou art an offence unto me. For you desire not the things that be of God, but those that be( of men.)

Was Peter Satan? No, but it was the ( spirit of Satan) that made him say those things. Also notice, the Lord told this spirit of Satan that he did not desire the things of God, but the things of ( men.) Jesus did not say the things that be of Satan, but he said the things that be of (men). Here we see it is the( fleshy minded spirit) that works in man that is the true deciever.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Plus the crescent moon, and it's lone star is the symbol of Islam! Satan's greatest deception of all his false religion's so far, outside of the realm of the various Christian faith's.