Man is Polluting Science

[Heissonear]

You forget that "the story" as you so accurately described it didn't arise until decades after Jesus' death -- exactly like I said.



Mark's Gospel wasn't written until decades later -- where's the problem?



And yet he was still crucified by the Romans in the standard Roman fashion for rebels, traitors, and would-be revolutionaries.

Jews stone; Romans crucify.

You have been cornered that you are a polluter too. All mankind pollute.

And you find truth from the pollution?

Interesting Sarg. You bought it.

Now you are the one who set aside the One who works wonders, with infinite wisdom you cannot fantom. Though you are trying before us, as you chunk His Word to the side as trash.

 

[bhsmte]

This is called unbelief.

No kidding

 

[AV1611VET]

Are they all hoax's?

Cults.

 

[Heissonear]

Cults.

It is hard for polluters to sieve through pollution and extract what is the truth.

An example is a person who turns to be a Christian without the aid of the Holy Spirit.

He starts examining the Mormon literature, the Westley Methodist literature, the Catholic literature, the First & Second & Independent & Missionary & Freewill Baptist literature, the Church of Christ, the Pentecostal, Full Gospel, Presbyterian, ..................

And then to drive by many to go to yours.

Man pollutes. It is all around. We face it everywhere.

And we have those void of the Holy Spirit and full of unbelief hitting the equal button on the authenticity of the Bible and God?

No. They have things backwards. Polluters present pollution.

 

[rjs330]

You forget that "the story" as you so accurately described it didn't arise until decades after Jesus' death -- exactly like I said.



Mark's Gospel wasn't written until decades later -- where's the problem?



And yet he was still crucified by the Romans in the standard Roman fashion for rebels, traitors, and would-be revolutionaries.

Jews stone; Romans crucify.

No the story (nonfictional to clarify since you seem to need that) had been around from the time of his death as told by the disciples.

“Fellow Israelites, listen to these words! Jesus the Nazarene was a man whose credentials God proved to you through miracles, wonders, and signs, which God performed through him among you. You yourselves know this. In accordance with God’s established plan and foreknowledge, he was betrayed. You, with the help of wicked men, had Jesus killed by nailing him to a cross. God raised him up! God freed him from death’s dreadful grip, since it was impossible for death to hang on to him. David says about him, I foresaw that the Lord was always with me; because he is at my right hand I won’t be shaken. Therefore, my heart was glad and my tongue rejoiced. Moreover, my body will live in hope, because you won’t abandon me to the grave, nor permit your holy one to experience decay. You have shown me the paths of life; your presence will fill me with happiness. “Brothers and sisters, I can speak confidently about the patriarch David. He died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this very day. Because he was a prophet, he knew that God promised him with a solemn pledge to seat one of his descendants on his throne. Having seen this beforehand, David spoke about the resurrection of Christ, that he wasn’t abandoned to the grave, nor did his body experience decay . This Jesus, God raised up. We are all witnesses to that fact. He was exalted to God’s right side and received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit. He poured out this Spirit, and you are seeing and hearing the results of his having done so.
Acts of the Apostles 2:22‭-‬33 CEB
http://bible.com/37/act.2.22-33.CEB

It just wasn't written down until later, but it was taught and preached up until then.

And Jesus was crucified because that's what the Jews demanded. Pilot was going to let Jesus go, but the Jews demanded crucifixion not stoning, so pilot gave in to the Jews demands. By the way it was done fulfilling prophecy.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You need to follow along a little closer.

Folks that martyr themselves, actually believe what they believe.

Believing something to the point of willing to die, has zero to do with whether the belief is actually true.

So would you agree then people dont martyr themswlves when they dont believe what they believe?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You have been cornered that you are a polluter too. All mankind pollute.

And you find truth from the pollution?

Interesting Sarg. You bought it.

Now you are the one who set aside the One who works wonders, with infinite wisdom you cannot fantom. Though you are trying before us, as you chunk His Word to the side as trash.

Why do you persist in telling lies about me?

 

[Cearbhall]

You have been cornered that you are a polluter too. All mankind pollute.

And you find truth from the pollution?

Interesting Sarg. You bought it.

Now you are the one who set aside the One who works wonders, with infinite wisdom you cannot fantom. Though you are trying before us, as you chunk His Word to the side as trash.

Or you could respond to the points he raised. Just an idea.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You forget that "the story" as you so accurately described it didn't arise until decades after Jesus' death -- exactly like I said.



Mark's Gospel wasn't written until decades later -- where's the problem?



And yet he was still crucified by the Romans in the standard Roman fashion for rebels, traitors, and would-be revolutionaries.

Jews stone; Romans crucify.

So the gospels were written decades later....so what? Does that change anything?

 

[TLK Valentine]

No the story (nonfictional to clarify since you seem to need that) had been around from the time of his death as told by the disciples.

Question: Between the time of Jesus' death and the time Mark's Gospel went to print, were the disciples the only people telling the story?

And Jesus was crucified because that's what the Jews demanded. Pilot was going to let Jesus go, but the Jews demanded crucifixion not stoning, so pilot gave in to the Jews demands. By the way it was done fulfilling prophecy.

Indeed -- and when you read the Gospels chronologically, Pilate's role lessens and lessens, until he becomes downright sympathetic... I assume you know exactly what was going on between the Romans and the Jews during this period?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So the gospels were written decades later....so what? Does that change anything?

Well, only if you know or care about what was happening in the intervening years...

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

When you have evidence that points directly to an eternal being, let us know.

Ok. Here is your evidence. Is the universe eternal or did it have a begining at some point?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Well, only if you know or care about what was happening in the intervening years...

How does something being or written or told a few decades later mean the thing never happened? The gospel of mark was written around 70ad. 40 years after the death of Jesus. The Vietnam war happened around 40 years ago and people still talk about their experiences today. Would it then be illogical to assume that their experiences never happened or were inaccurate? I would argue not. Vietnam vets can recount experiences in vivid detail decades after the war, so why can't the apostles?

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed -- and when you read the Gospels chronologically, Pilate's role lessens and lessens, until he becomes downright sympathetic...

Question: What [exactly] was written on the sign placed over Jesus' head on the Cross?*

If you know the answer to that, then you'll know why even a child should be able to answer your point.

In fact, it was one of the first methods of interpretation I learned in New Converts class.

* Note: All four Gospels say something different; allowing us to get the full message placed over His head.

What was that full message, professor of literature?

 

[bhsmte]

Ok. Here is your evidence. Is the universe eternal or did it have a begining at some point?

Those questions have what to do with evidence pointing to the Christian God?

 

[TLK Valentine]

How does something being or written or told a few decades later mean the thing never happened?

You seriously don't know?

The gospel of mark was written around 70ad. 40 years after the death of Jesus.

Best guess, yes -- personally, I put it a few years earlier, but we'll go with AD 70.

The Vietnam war happened around 40 years ago and people still talk about their experiences today. Would it then be illogical to assume that their experiences never happened or were inaccurate? I would argue not. Vietnam vets can recount experiences in vivid detail decades after the war, so why can't the apostles?

Because the apostles didn't write the Gospels -- didn't you know that?

 

[bhsmte]

So the gospels were written decades later....so what? Does that change anything?

It can impact historical credibility. Add in the authors are anonymous, no original copies of the gospels exist and only copies of the same, starting 200 years after the fact and yes, it impacts the ability to give them historical credibility. Lastly, the fact that certain verses were clearly added to the stories, hundreds of years later, impact the issue to a greater extend.

It is one thing to claim eye witness accounts; decades later and this claim made by anonymous authors and it is another thing to be able to confirm these alleged eye witness accounts.

 

[bhsmte]

How does something being or written or told a few decades later mean the thing never happened? The gospel of mark was written around 70ad. 40 years after the death of Jesus. The Vietnam war happened around 40 years ago and people still talk about their experiences today. Would it then be illogical to assume that their experiences never happened or were inaccurate? I would argue not. Vietnam vets can recount experiences in vivid detail decades after the war, so why can't the apostles?

You really, really need to read up on the historical method. That much, is obvious.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Question: What [exactly] was written on the sign placed over Jesus' head on the Cross?*

If you know the answer to that, then you'll know why even a child should be able to answer your point.

In fact, it was one of the first methods of interpretation I learned in New Converts class.

* Note: All four Gospels say something different; allowing us to get the full message placed over His head.

Your "New Converts" teacher was sadly mistaken. Mountains out of molehills, I'm sorry to tell you.

What was that full message, professor of literature?

In the original Latin? "Iesus Nazareunus Rex Iudaeorum"

English Translation? "Jesus the Nazarene (or "of Nazareth",) King of the Jews."

Now, professor of absolutely nothing, tell us what the Roman punishment was for proclaiming oneself "King of the Jews," in occupied Judea?

 

[rjs330]

Question: Between the time of Jesus' death and the time Mark's Gospel went to print, were the disciples the only people telling the story?



Indeed -- and when you read the Gospels chronologically, Pilate's role lessens and lessens, until he becomes downright sympathetic... I assume you know exactly what was going on between the Romans and the Jews during this period?

The fact that apostles,wrote books that agree with the gospels should tell you something. And the fact that Peter stated Paul wrote scripture has something to say about ther veracity of the gospels.
The apostles were the founders,of churches all over Asia. They directly confronted people who spoke of different gospels and warned the churches not to allow people in who spoke a different gospel. So because of their witness and their letters verifying the gospels we know the truth of it. But again you will not accepted because your heart is darkened to the truth. Instead of of looking at really trying to find God you are searching for ways to not find him and reasons not to believe.

The fact is we have more manuscripts verifying scripture than any other ancient text tells us the veracity of the gospels as well. Very little is challengable any more and if there is it is in a matter of little consequence.