Man Arrested for Causing Trans Anxiety

[RDKirk]

You are describing a nihilistic version of the founding of the USA. That the motivating values could have been anything so long as everyone was on board.

The primary motivating factor was to keep more of their money. The Crown had begun taxing colonials directly in the 1760s, and that's what they were riled up about.

They were not being repressed religiously by the Crown (generally they were in colonies that were predominantly the religion they preferred), they had all the usual rights of British subjects and were, in fact, leading much freer lives in every way than British subjects in Britain.

 

[durangodawood]

The primary motivating factor was to keep more of their money. The Crown had begun taxing colonials directly in the 1760s, and that's what they were riled up about.

They were not being repressed religiously by the Crown (generally they were in colonies that were predominantly the religion they preferred), they had all the usual rights of British subjects and were, in fact, leading much freer lives in every way than British subjects in Britain.

Then why the eloquent "rabble rousing" charade of appealing to rights and descrying tyranny? If colonials didnt care about all that crap, then whats the point?

The DoI stands as the principle document outlining the reasons for independence and the background philosophy. The constitution was never meant to do that job. Its just a functional outline of the government.

If the DoI was just "rabble rousing" maybe thats because the "rabble" needed some ideals to get behind for the venture to succeed.

 

[rjs330]

These two sentences contradict each other. If you are telling people you believe it wrong to learn about a subject at an early age you are calling them out for doing so.

As far as the age, what do the experts in child care say? They are the ones I think it appropriate to be informed by. I am always suspicious of the idea that giving people information is damaging to them. That sounds a bit to much like thought police for my comfort.

You mean the same experts that claim a baby can know it it's trans? Those experts? Or the same experts that say 15 year olds are wise enough to know and understand the consequences of chopping off their body parts? Those experts?

 

[rjs330]

Let's not get away from the OP. The OP was about government action, not the action of private employers. Private employers have always been able to fire employees who persist in public behavior connected to their employment that is uncomplimentary to the public persona of the company.

For instance, out in the Twitterverse there is a young black woman model citing racism as the reason she's been fired from a lucrative modeling contract after she posted a series of extremely exposing images on Twitter. IMO, the company was within its rights to do so, just as Disney was in its rights to fire Carano.

But those are private companies, and the Bill of Rights has never been operational over private companies. We're talking about government action here.

Sounds good. I was just responding to another poster.

 

[Belk]

You mean the same experts that claim a baby can know it it's trans? Those experts? Or the same experts that say 15 year olds are wise enough to know and understand the consequences of chopping off their body parts? Those experts?

Never heard any of them claim that. The experts I am talking about are the people who study childhood development. That you dismiss experts in multiple fields because you don't like what they have to say is not an argument.

 

[rjs330]

Which is even more ironic.

The constitution:
1. allowed for slavery
2. allowed for slaves to count as quasi people only for political power to ensure the preservation of slavery.

Wrong again. Do you have any concept of the purpose of what they were trying to do at the time?

I ask again, why did the opposition to slavery want slaves not to be counted as a full person? Was it to preserve slavery as you claim?

 

[durangodawood]

Wrong again. Do you have any concept of the purpose of what they were trying to do at the time?

I ask again, why did the opposition to slavery want slaves not to be counted as a full person? Was it to preserve slavery as you claim?

I gave the wrong idea. I mean the slave states wanted the power to maintain slavery, among other things - and so fought for and got the "compromise". I dont mean the anti slavers wanted that.

 

[rjs330]

Never heard any of them claim that. The experts I am talking about are the people who study childhood development. That you dismiss experts in multiple fields because you don't like what they have to say is not an argument.

You are showing yourself to be the ill informed. Please what experts are you referring to? Cause I've seen the videos of experts in these hospitals and fields making these claims. Including giving puberty blockers to kids as young as 10. No I don't believe in those experts at all.
One of the experts has already performed a LOT of surgeries on kids chopping off their body parts. He even said he hasn't done it on a 12 year old yet, but would.

A number of these videos are now remiv d from the hospitals websites after they have been brought to light and widely viewed and distributed. You can't even see them anymore. No I don't trust them in the least. One pediatrician, an expert, asked a three year old boy if he was a boy or a girl.
NO I do NOT trust the experts.

 

[SilverBear]

The Bible told us not to discriminate long before anti-discrimination laws were written.

and yet discrimination is very. LGBT people have had to and continue to have to fight for the same legal rights that you take for granted. The right to live without fear of violence because of who you are. the right to go into a place of business and be treated just like any other customer. the right to go into a hospital and receive appropriate care. The right to have families, have careers, live where you please, to walk down the street without being harassed.

We're all sinners and all are welcome. Prostitutes for example attended the first churches. That doesn't mean the church condones sin and it certainly doesn't mean the church promotes sin by flying LGBT (lesbian, gay, bi-sexual, transgender) flags. Recognizing two men having a sexual relationship aka sodomy as sin is not "homophobia". That's a word that was invented to try getting people to accept what God calls an abomination as acceptable.

Homophobia - an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. It includes antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and hatred of homosexuals


its a word that describes the very real experiences of LGBT individuals

 

[SilverBear]

No they are attacking it. That's why there are so many calls from the left to get rid of certain amendments and a lot of calls to move on from it all together. That is not understanding it differently. That's trying to get rid of it.

just as there are calls from the right to get rid of the 14th and 17th amendments

 

[SilverBear]

You mean the same experts that claim a baby can know it it's trans?

Citation?

 

[SilverBear]

You are showing yourself to be the ill informed. Please what experts are you referring to? Cause I've seen the videos of experts in these hospitals and fields making these claims. Including giving puberty blockers to kids as young as 10. No I don't believe in those experts at all.

As we have discussed several times before puberty blockers are prescribed to children under the age of 10 for the medical condition precocious puberty

One of the experts has already performed a LOT of surgeries on kids chopping off their body parts. He even said he hasn't done it on a 12 year old yet, but would.

he has performed such surgeries on children but he hasn't done any yet????

A number of these videos are now remiv d from the hospitals websites after they have been brought to light and widely viewed and distributed. You can't even see them anymore. No I don't trust them in the least. One pediatrician, an expert, asked a three year old boy if he was a boy or a girl.
NO I do NOT trust the experts.

if they were widely distributed why can't they be seen anymore?

 

[Belk]

You are showing yourself to be the ill informed. Please what experts are you referring to? Cause I've seen the videos of experts in these hospitals and fields making these claims. Including giving puberty blockers to kids as young as 10. No I don't believe in those experts at all.
One of the experts has already performed a LOT of surgeries on kids chopping off their body parts. He even said he hasn't done it on a 12 year old yet, but would.

A number of these videos are now remiv d from the hospitals websites after they have been brought to light and widely viewed and distributed. You can't even see them anymore. No I don't trust them in the least. One pediatrician, an expert, asked a three year old boy if he was a boy or a girl.
NO I do NOT trust the experts.

That's nice.

 

[rjs330]

I gave the wrong idea. I mean the slave states wanted the power to maintain slavery, among other things - and so fought for and got the "compromise". I dont mean the anti slavers wanted that.

Yes they did. And the anti-slave states didn't want to give them that. They knew what had to be done.

 

[rjs330]

As we have discussed several times before puberty blockers are prescribed to children under the age of 10 for the medical condition precocious puberty

Nope they specifically said it for trans issues.

he has performed such surgeries on children but he hasn't done any yet????

No he has done them on a lot of children. He hasn't done one yet on one as young as 12, but he said he would.

if they were widely distributed why can't they be seen anymore?

Because they have been removed from the websites where they we originally posted. The hospitals took them down.

 

[rjs330]

I think parents should be able to opt out but they should not be able to have tyranny of the majority.

I think for the issues of sexuality beyond biological discussion of our bodies which is age appropriate should be an OPT IN.

These things are not biology they are ideology. And ideology has no place in the public schools UNLESS the parents agree they want it specifically for their kids.

 

[rjs330]

No, it is not. The whole idea is the constitution can be changed. That is why they are called amendments. It is built into the system and just like the amendments outlawing slavery and allowing alcohol it should always be allowable to discuss possible improvements. The document is not written in stone and changing things is not an attack.

Of course, but do you see any amendments being proposed? Not you just see laws being written and people calling for the abolition of the constitution because it's so old and out dated. That is an attack on the constitution.

We've had amendments. And as long as the constitution is followed we have no problems with amendments. The constitution allows for them and so it IS constitutional.

 

[rjs330]

Okay I'm not going to post anymore on the constitution or slavery or whatever. We have gone by one the scope of the OP. Which is the authoritarianism of the LGBT movement and the desire to punish people for not following the mantra.

We are not talking about actual assaults or anything because as law and order people we believe that crimes of that type out to be punished.

 

[Belk]

Of course, but do you see any amendments being proposed? Not you just see laws being written and people calling for the abolition of the constitution because it's so old and out dated. That is an attack on the constitution.

We've had amendments. And as long as the constitution is followed we have no problems with amendments. The constitution allows for them and so it IS constitutional.

I see nothing of the sort. I see no credible movement to abolish the constitution.

 

[Belk]

I think for the issues of sexuality beyond biological discussion of our bodies which is age appropriate should be an OPT IN.

These things are not biology they are ideology. And ideology has no place in the public schools UNLESS the parents agree they want it specifically for their kids.

You disagree with biologists on several subjects so I am going to take your claims of ideology over biology with a grain of salt.