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[SilverBear]

I actually agree with you about that: Dead cop-killer hailed a hero with memorial BIGGER than shrine for officer he shot: Disgusting 'thug life' tributes to murderer as his widow says she wishes more cops died in her husband's ambush | Daily Mail Online

A robbery gone bad....Just how does that qualify as a hate crime?

 

[SilverBear]

There are many sad things that can be seen in modern society. Pretending something is a hate crime when it is not is one of them.

is there some reason to say it was not a hate crime other than the fact it was directed at LGBT?

 

[SilverBear]

So there has been LGBTQ representation on television for a long time.

I thought examples from the past didn't matter

 

[Moral Orel]

Not so. With some attitudes just having them out there is harmful to actual people.

Yes so. That's the fantasy v reality bit. The attitude ain't out there. It's a joke. We're laughing at an absurdity and acknowledging that it's absurd. Lemme tell you a longish/boringish story I've told on here before.

As I raised my kid, I occasionally spouted outlandishly racist remarks in an over the top, thick southern accent. To which, everyone around would burst into laughter. As time went on, my kid grew to know that racist thoughts were to be mocked, ridiculed, and met with derision. At one point, my Ma actually said something strikingly similar to one of my mock-racist tirades and my kid heard her, and laughed out loud at his own Grandmother (but she meant it). I say that was a good thing. What say you?

Cmon Orel. Thats not what I said.

I think it is. You aren't saying that one has to agree with your line on every issue, but folk have to agree at least somewhere on that line or they're a psychopath. I don't have a line. What qualifies you to make a diagnosis about my mental health based on what jokes I laugh at? You realize that's ridiculous, right?

I'm not offended, by the way. I'm used to it by now. But since you think "no line" = "psychopath", now you're realizing that you've been conversing with a psychopath over the years, so what revelations does that bring?

 

[Moral Orel]

We used to be able to laugh at ourselves. I've seen black comedians tell jokes about white people and we all laughed at that. Comedy was always about making ng fun or poking fun at generalities about all of us. It was funny and we all had to laugh cause it's at least partially true.

People need to chill out. Quit wearing our feelings on our sleeves, especially when it comes to comedy.

Folks would be happier if they could disassociate jokes from reality. Comics, at least the older ones, know when something is a joke and when it ain't. They berate each other ruthlessly with zero lines they're unwilling to cross.

The younger comics, probably not so much anymore. But they are objectively less funny, and I can prove it. Watch an older stand up special, and watch a new standup special, and count in each how many times the crowd laughs and how many times the crowd applauds. New comics are going for applause and that means they aren't even trying to be funny. There is literally a countable jokes-per-minute rate that new comics are far behind the older ones.

Which is frustrating for me because I actually am super liberal, so while I agree with points they want to make, that's not why I'm watching a comedy special! Tell jokes! Dance, clown, dance!

 

[RDKirk]

Yes so. That's the fantasy v reality bit. The attitude ain't out there. It's a joke. We're laughing at an absurdity and acknowledging that it's absurd. Lemme tell you a longish/boringish story I've told on here before.

As I raised my kid, I occasionally spouted outlandishly racist remarks in an over the top, thick southern accent. To which, everyone around would burst into laughter. As time went on, my kid grew to know that racist thoughts were to be mocked, ridiculed, and met with derision. At one point, my Ma actually said something strikingly similar to one of my mock-racist tirades and my kid heard her, and laughed out loud at his own Grandmother (but she meant it). I say that was a good thing. What say you?

You mean like "All in the Family" or "Blazing Saddles?"

 

[Aldebaran]

A robbery gone bad....Just how does that qualify as a hate crime?

Still a hero though, correct?

 

[Aldebaran]

is there some reason to say it was not a hate crime other than the fact it was directed at LGBT?

No more than if it were directed at COPS.

 

[Moral Orel]

You mean like "All in the Family" or "Blazing Saddles?"

I'm ashamed to admit I've never gotten around to seeing "Blazing Saddles". But of what I remember of Archie Bunker, I think ya, pretty much like that. He'd say racist stuff, and we'd all laugh at him for it.

 

[SilverBear]

Still a hero though, correct?

still not a hate crime

 

[SilverBear]

No more than if it were directed at COPS.

A hate crime is a prejudice-motivated crime which occurs when a perpetrator targets a victim because of their membership (or perceived membership) of a minority racial or social group.


So no.

 

[SilverBear]

I'm ashamed to admit I've never gotten around to seeing "Blazing Saddles". But of what I remember of Archie Bunker, I think ya, pretty much like that. He'd say racist stuff, and we'd all laugh at him for it.

Bunker also got to see the real world consequences of his racists attitudes and he changed over time

 

[Aldebaran]

A hate crime is a prejudice-motivated crime which occurs when a perpetrator targets a victim because of their membership (or perceived membership) of a minority racial or social group.


So no.

Such as police officers? They aren't a majority. People actually demonstrated hate toward those in the law enforcement community during the BLM riots. They even held up signs and chanted slogans that told of their motivations as they hurled bricks at them and burned down their precincts while there were people inside.

 

[Moral Orel]

Bunker also got to see the real world consequences of his racists attitudes and he changed over time

That's besides the point. We're talking about the audience, not the character. The audience laughed at racist jokes. But you would say folks that laughed at Archie are all racist, right? Because only racists laugh at racist jokes, right?

 

[SilverBear]

Such as police officers? They aren't a majority.

In context here a minority is a culturally, ethnically, religious or racially distinct group that has a shared sense of collective identity and community that coexists with but is subordinate to a more dominant group with socially shared rules about who belongs and who does not.

Police are not a minority.

People actually demonstrated hate toward those in the law enforcement community during the BLM riots. They even held up signs and chanted slogans that told of their motivations as they hurled bricks at them

and burned down their precincts while there were people inside.

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[SilverBear]

That's besides the point. We're talking about the audience, not the character. The audience laughed at racist jokes. But you would say folks that laughed at Archie are all racist, right? Because only racists laugh at racist jokes, right?

According to Normal Leer the producer and head writer of All in the Family it was exactly the point for the audience to see the harm things like racism have

 

[Aldebaran]

In context here a minority is a culturally, ethnically, religious or racially distinct group that has a shared sense of collective identity and community that coexists with but is subordinate to a more dominant group with socially shared rules about who belongs and who does not.

A long way of saying, "Anyone who is not a straight, white Christian."

 

[Aldebaran]

According to Normal Leer the producer and head writer of All in the Family it was exactly the point for the audience to see the harm things like racism have

And yet, the things Archie said were meant for laughs. Are you saying Leer wanted to make people laugh about people being harmed?

 

[SilverBear]

A long way of saying, "Anyone who is not a straight, white Christian."

straights and whites and Christians are not subordinate to a more dominant group because they are the dominant groups.

Just as police are not a culturally, ethnically, religious or racially distinct group

 

[SilverBear]

And yet, the things Archie said were meant for laughs. Are you saying Leer wanted to make people laugh about people being harmed?

he made them look at what they were laughing at and how it was never funny in the first place