Man and dinosaur coexisting

AV1611VET said:

So do you believe in cause-and-effect, or effect-and-cause?

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Actually, the Buddhist conceptualization of causality is more sophisticated and better adapted to science than the Greek/Western one. They seek to understand events at three simultaneous levels; cause, change, and effect. Every event is the result of change. Every event is real and thus both effect, and cause of future events through change.

It makes it much easier to think this way and understand chemical equilibria, or biological homeostasis.

Isaiah55:6 said:

Just as planed

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Sure, but do you think it was planned?

Isaiah55:6 said:

Just as planed

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I could make a joke about a carpenter at this point, but that would be just poor taste.

Goonie said:

I could make a joke about a carpenter at this point, but that would be just poor taste.

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But funny, nonetheless.

Loudmouth said:

That doesn't even address what I wrote.

Do you accept or reject the germ theory of disease?

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I'm not familiar with the germ theory.

Dr GS Hurd said:

It makes it much easier to think this way and understand chemical equilibria, or biological homeostasis.

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That's nice.

How do the Buddhists explain JEHOVAH's self-existent nature?

dougangel said:

Your incorrect.
I accept we are vertebrates and we a biological creatures and I'm a creationist. I know many other creationists that accept that.

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You did not understand my post, and you confirmed it. Telling you that you are a fish would make your head explode. By admitting that you are a vertebrate you are making essentially the same claim.

HitchSlap said:

So god is not capable of executing his plan, then? Do you think the "sin" thing was just an oversight on his part?

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God's plan is to have fellowship with intelligent beings that he created. In order for Him to be certain that these created beings love Him for sure, He gave them free will. He knew this would all unfold as it is. However, He set it up so that "if" mankind followed "His" original plan we could have lived in paradise in perfect fellowship right from the start. That was the original design. Then, as He knew it would happen, man and his free will didn't follow the plan. All he had to do is not eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil...... that was all. But, pride got in his way and he wanted to be "like God" as Satan said he would.

It's like raising kids. You teach them not to do stuff. You tell them they will get punished. AND you know they are going to do it sometime. It's inevitable because they are beings with free will. They are not robots.

God could have made us like robots but that is not what He wanted. He wanted us to choose Him out of our own free will. Belief in Jesus Christ by faith and no tangible smoking gun evidence of the gospel being the truth, is the way we show Him that we have chosen Him.

Believe me, as soon as a human makes that decision, by faith to totally trust in the free gift of salvation, the existence of Jesus being God made man and dying on the cross to pay for their sins to be pardoned.....as soon as this happens and is a true change of heart and heart deep belief by faith....everything is made clear and the faith is no longer a faith it is true knowledge of the total biblical truth of the gospel and the historical account of the universe as written in the scriptures. Until then..... you will never see the truth and you will be blown to and fro by the words of men who profess to be wise but are actually fools.

There is no way to describe it but once it is felt, you cannot deny it.

So, God set it all up but knew we would screw it up and already had a plan to fix it by preparing a way for the price of the sinner to be pardoned.

Even Satan knew this. Every thing Satan has done has been to deter Christ from dying on the cross as was needed or to convince man that God or Christ don't exist or to convince man that he himself, Satan, doesn't exist.
If Christ fulfilled all that was needed, as God made man to provide a pardon to any man who asked for it.
And if a man believes that Christ is God made man.
And if man believes that the gift of salvation is real.
And if man asks for this pardon.....with no in you face, smoking gun, three dimensional apparition telling him it is true evidence...... then..... Satan has failed.

If Satan can convince you that any one of these is false....you have been deceived and Satan wins, you lose and God will be greatly saddened by His loss of one of His precious beings that He created in His image to fellowship with Him.

Subduction Zone said:

You did not understand my post, and you confirmed it. Telling you that you are a fish would make your head explode. By admitting that you are a vertebrate you are making essentially the same claim.

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No your incorrect. you don't understand my position. Ultimately I would say we don't have enough information. A lot of it is not observable science. But I'm leaning towards Old Earth creationist with God using evolution to create man.

God got man from dust
Evolutionists are saying the same thing. That we are from dust.
dust and water
single cells - moss - plants - fish - animals - man (crude list to illustrate a point. )

The difference I have with evolutionist's is that God created man with his spiritual Image. That is, There is a spiritual nature to man.

There is an explanation for the creation poem. But I don't think that the sun the moon the stars ( and other planets ) were made on the 3rd day.

AV1611VET said:

That's nice.

How do the Buddhists explain JEHOVAH's self-existent nature?

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They do not need to waste their time.

JacksBratt said:

God's plan is to have fellowship with intelligent beings that he created.

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Actually that is contradicted in the book of Genesis multiple times.

JacksBratt said:

God's plan is to have fellowship with intelligent beings that he created.

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Then why does God mainly reach out to the not so intelligent people of earth instead of the intelligent? why are the most religious countries always the most backward countries? even in the US the most religious areas are mostly where the not so intelligent people live, pick a state where the educational standards are low and that's where you will find the most religious people,
I didn't create the situation I'm just telling you about it, your God seems in most cases to attract the not so intelligent people.

BrriKerr said:

Then why does God mainly reach out to the not so intelligent people of earth instead of the intelligent?

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Because God has chosen the things you guys think are foolish, to confound you sapiens.

1 Corinthians 1:27a But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;

And believe me, it works!

BrriKerr said:

Then why does God mainly reach out to the not so intelligent people of earth instead of the intelligent? why are the most religious countries always the most backward countries? even in the US the most religious areas are mostly where the not so intelligent people live, pick a state where the educational standards are low and that's where you will find the most religious people,
I didn't create the situation I'm just telling you about it, your God seems in most cases to attract the not so intelligent people.

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Often we confuse "more intelligent" with the truth which is "more educated" Best not to confuse the two...

Maybe because the "intelligent" people are the ones referred to in this passage.

Romans 1:22King James Version (KJV)
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

You see God's way is not man's way.
Isaiah 55:8King James Version (KJV)
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

Basically, the people who consider themselves to be the most "intelligent" are less likely to do this:

Matthew 18:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.


I see it so often on this forum, "Christians are the ignorant people of the populous because they don't have the intelligence to understand the evidence of "evolution""

We, the Christians, believers of the Bible, are so dumb we cannot comprehend the intricacies of the scientific world.

When actually the ones that deam themselves to be the ones full of knowledge and wisdom are puffed up and will never understand that we must come as "children". They are so full of themselves and they can "do it all on their own"

One phrase.... KNOW IT ALLS cannot lower themselves to accept the real truth.

JacksBratt said:

One phrase.... KNOW IT ALLS cannot lower themselves to accept the real truth.

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Exactly!

Paul warned us ...

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

And that's just what happens.

Almost all of those professing themselves to be Homo sapiens end up becoming atheists.

For the record, God has hidden the Truth from their [sapiens] view, and has revealed It to us.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Hidden ... not in the sense that they'll never find it.

But "hidden in plain sight" so to speak.

And they will be held accountable for not finding it in view of the fact that He has given us the Key that points them in the direction they need to look.

JacksBratt said:

One phrase.... KNOW IT ALLS cannot lower themselves to accept the real truth.

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I agree, it seems some of us can be flexible in our understanding of the world when presented with new facts, whereas some of us have such a 'puffed up' opinion of our beliefs nothing can make us change our minds.

AV1611VET said:

And they will be held accountable for not finding it in view of the fact that He has given us the Key that points them in the direction they need to look.

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Why is he trying to trick us with ERVs, the fossil record etc? They seem to be pointing in a different direction.

Jimmy D said:

Why is he trying to trick us ...

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Wrong word.

1 Corinthians 1:27a But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;

JacksBratt said:

I'm not familiar with the germ theory.

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"The germ theory of disease states that some diseases are caused by microorganisms. These small organisms, too small to see without magnification, invade humans, animals, and other living hosts. Their growth and reproduction within their hosts can cause a disease."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

Do you accept this scientific theory?

Loudmouth said:

"The germ theory of disease states that some diseases are caused by microorganisms. These small organisms, too small to see without magnification, invade humans, animals, and other living hosts. Their growth and reproduction within their hosts can cause a disease."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

Do you accept this scientific theory?

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What, that bacteria and virus's cause us to get sick? Of course.