"Making Sense of God: An Invitation to the Skeptical" | Talks At Google

[bhsmte]

I already gave that information. I quoted you word for word and gave the link of where it came from.

And I assume you don't believe in non Christian Gods as being real, correct?

 

[radhead]

What a loving thing to say. Google allows rightwing bigots to speak to their people? Seriously?

Lastly, aren't you a free thinker? Why let someone else's opinion sway yours?

Beware, if you want to stay an atheists, don't watch it.

Okay, I started listening to it. In that case, and if he is truly just arguing for a more liberal form of Christianity, then I don't really see the point. It is true that Christianity has become more and more liberalized. It's no longer a societal "crime" in the USA to be a non-believer. No one really cares anymore. The world has become more and more progressive, in tune with the vision that the prophets had.

I believe in God, so, no, I am not an atheist for rejecting your god. But I think that many self-proclaimed "Christians" are atheists for rejecting the true God and substituting it with a beast. I consider fundamentalist Christianity to be the Beast.

 

[-V-]

And I assume you don't believe in non Christian Gods as being real, correct?

I believe they don't exist.

 

[bhsmte]

I believe they don't exist.

Cool. I don't believe the Christian God exists, based on trying to reconcile the Christian theology, with well evidenced reality. But, I could be wrong.

Could your personal faith belief be wrong, or is that impossible?

 

[-V-]

Could your personal faith belief be wrong, or is that impossible?

Irrelevant. Whether or not my faith might be wrong has no bearing on whether or not "atheists believe there is no god" is a straw man fallacy.

 

[bhsmte]

Irrelevant. Whether or not my faith might be wrong has no bearing on whether or not "atheists believe there is no god" is a straw man fallacy.

This atheist does not state; there is no God. I state, I don't believe there is a God. The vast majority of atheists on this site, hammer this same point home quite often.

You see, being able to acknowledge you may be wrong about something, I see as a sign of strength and having an open mind and not weakness.

 

[-V-]

This atheist does not state; there is no God. I state, I don't believe there is a God. The vast majority of atheists on this site, hammer this same point home quite often.

That's not, however, what you said before. You said your claim about God is "the same claim you make about non christian gods." THE. SAME. CLAIM. If we claim those gods don't exist... and you make THE SAME CLAIM ... then you ARE claiming God doesn't exist.

You see, being able to acknowledge you may be wrong about something, I see as a sign of strength and having an open mind and not weakness.

Which, again, is irrelevant to whether or not "atheists believe there is no god" is a straw man fallacy.

 

[bhsmte]

That's not, however, what you said before. You said your claim about God is "the same claim you make about non christian gods." THE. SAME. CLAIM. If we claim those gods don't exist... and you make THE SAME CLAIM ... then you ARE claiming God doesn't exist.


Which, again, is irrelevant to whether or not "atheists believe there is no god" is a straw man fallacy.

You are really hung up on this aren't you? Especially so for someone that isn't big on answering direct questions.

When I say, the same claim Christians make about non Christian Gods, I mean they don't believe non Christian God's exist, plain and simple. If you want to take it further than that, than knock yourself out.

 

[-V-]

You are really hung up on this aren't you? Especially so for someone that isn't big on answering direct questions.

Hung up on thinking the words you use actually mean what those words mean? Yeah, I kinda find that sort of thing important.

When I say, the same claim Christians make about non Christian Gods, I mean they don't believe non Christian God's exist, plain and simple. If you want to take it further than that, than knock yourself out.

In other words, you didn't mean what you said, you have to change it to fit a subsequent inconsistency.

 

[bhsmte]

Hung up on thinking the words you use actually mean what those words mean? Yeah, I kinda find that sort of thing important.


In other words, you didn't mean what you said, you have to change it to fit a subsequent inconsistency.

LOL, split some more hairs.

 

[-V-]

LOL, split some more hairs.

Ah, so the difference "believe there is no god" and "lack belief in god" is just splitting hairs. If it's just splitting hairs, then there's no meaningful difference. If there's no meaningful difference, then you can't whine about "atheists believe there is no god" being a straw man fallacy.

 

[bhsmte]

Ah, so the difference "believe there is no god" and "lack belief in god" is just splitting hairs. If it's just splitting hairs, then there's no meaningful difference. If there's no meaningful difference, then you can't whine about "atheists believe there is no god" being a straw man fallacy.

No, there is a big difference as I already stated in a previous post. What you are splitting hairs about, is the fact that I clarified what I meant, when I stated the same as what Christians believe about non Christian Gods.

If you need to keep going, knock yourself out and have fun.

 

[-V-]

No, there is a big difference as I already stated in a previous post. What you are splitting hairs about, is the fact that I clarified what I meant, when I stated the same as what Christians believe about non Christian Gods.

If you need to keep going, knock yourself out and have fun.

You didn't "clarify" it, you changed it to cover up a subsequent contradiction.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Beware, if you want to stay an atheists, don't watch it.

Oh, it's that good? He demonstrates the existence of God? Please tell me the minute mark to go to and I'll watch it. Like I said, I stopped watching at 5 minutes because he proved himself incompetent by not even knowing what an atheist is. Maybe he's really competent on his end, though, in demonstrating the existence of his deity.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

But you yourself said, "until you can show God interacting with reality in any detectable way, he is nothing more than an idea... a human idea."
God, Gödel, and Omniscience

How is claiming that God is nothing more than an idea any different than claiming there is no God?

Alien life forms are, at the present time, just an idea. They are not detectable in any way. That does not mean I would claim that no alien life exists in the vast universe. Did you even give this any thought at all?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

No, there is a big difference as I already stated in a previous post. What you are splitting hairs about, is the fact that I clarified what I meant, when I stated the same as what Christians believe about non Christian Gods.

If you need to keep going, knock yourself out and have fun.

He is saying that Christians accept every possible burden of proof with respect to the existence of deities. He's saying that no Christian would only affirm a lack of belief in other gods but in fact must affirm that no other gods exist. Thus, when you said that your position on other gods is equivalent to that of Christians, he inferred that you affirm the nonexistence of other deities.

So on this issue I'd begrudgingly award him the point. But I share your exasperation with him, as he is quite the acrobat when you try to ask him a question.

 

[-V-]

Alien life forms are, at the present time, just an idea. They are not detectable in any way. That does not mean I would claim that no alien life exists in the vast universe. Did you even give this any thought at all?

Lol, and *I'M* the "acrobat". Lmao, ok.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Lol, and *I'M* the "acrobat". Lmao, ok.

So you did give it thought, but you just aren't capable of understanding?

 

[-V-]

So you did give it thought, but you just aren't capable of understanding?

Yeah, I'm sure that must be it.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Yeah, I'm sure that must be it.

OK, great, so let's try it again.

If God has not interacted with reality, then when we discuss God we're not talking about, say, the guy who owns the barber shop on 5th and Main. There is nowhere I can go nor anything I can do to see or detect God. Yet I can abstractly discuss the notion of God.

Thus, God is an idea.