"Making Sense of God: An Invitation to the Skeptical" | Talks At Google

[jimmyjimmy]

Tim Keller address the skeptic in a "Talks at Google" lecture. Very helpful.

 

[ananda]

As I interpret it, he's basically saying "Christianity makes sense because it makes sense to me"

 

[jimmyjimmy]

As I interpret it, he's basically saying "Christianity makes sense because it makes sense to me"

You didn't watch the video, that's obvious.

 

[ananda]

You didn't watch the video, that's obvious.

No, but I read the transcript.

 

[Pilgrim]

No, but I read the transcript.

Link?

 

[ananda]

Link?

Transcripts for YT videos are usually found under the "more" function:

 

[bhsmte]

As I interpret it, he's basically saying "Christianity makes sense because it makes sense to me"

Usually how most religions work.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No, but I read the transcript.

Firstly, some say that 80% of communication is non-verbal, so you really missed a huge amount by reading, vs watching and listening to the lecture. Secondly, can you interact with one or more of his points. You haven't made and argument, but simply attempts to avoid making one by making a dismissive comment.

 

[Pilgrim]

As I interpret it, he's basically saying "Christianity makes sense because it makes sense to me"

Did you "read" the part about all human beings have a set of religious beliefs whether they admit it or not.... and the other part about what role does faith have in your beliefs?

 

[ananda]

Firstly, some say that 80% of communication is non-verbal, so you really missed a huge amount by reading, vs watching and listening to the lecture. Secondly, can you interact with one or more of his points. You haven't made and argument, but simply attempts to avoid making one by making a dismissive comment.

I focused on his "making sense" (conscious rationality) part - associated with his pure words ... not on his non-verbal emotional cues, which does not make "sense" to me.

 

[ananda]

Did you "read" the part about all human beings have a set of religious beliefs whether they admit it or not.... and the other part about what role does faith have in your beliefs?

Yes, I seem to recall something along those lines ... what about them?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Stopped watching at 5 minutes. He says that atheists believe there is no god, and they have a partially faith-based position. He does not even grasp the basic idea of atheism. What kind of a person writes a book about this topic and yet doesn't understand that atheism is the lack of a belief in God?

 

[radhead]

The only evidence I need that the "belief" based faith is false is to just look at the representatives who are trying the hardest to push it. They lack the love and works that their faith is supposed to produce, so that their "arguments" will never gain any momentum. Those with true love and works are either not religious, or they are not pushing their religion on anyone.

Religious people believe what they want to believe. Why? Because it's popular to believe those things.

As far as listening to him. From what I read about the speaker, he is a jerk. I have no desire to listen to what he has to say. Just another right wing idiot bigot living in spiritual darkness.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

From what I read about the speaker, he is a jerk. I have no desire to listen to what he has to say. Just another right wing idiot bigot living in spiritual darkness.

What a loving thing to say. Google allows rightwing bigots to speak to their people? Seriously?

Lastly, aren't you a free thinker? Why let someone else's opinion sway yours?

Beware, if you want to stay an atheists, don't watch it.

 

[bhsmte]

Stopped watching at 5 minutes. He says that atheists believe there is no god, and they have a partially faith-based position. He does not even grasp the basic idea of atheism. What kind of a person writes a book about this topic and yet doesn't understand that atheism is the lack of a belief in God?

What else is new. When they have to create a strawman right out of the box, you need all you need to know.

 

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Stopped watching at 5 minutes. He says that atheists believe there is no god, and they have a partially faith-based position. He does not even grasp the basic idea of atheism. What kind of a person writes a book about this topic and yet doesn't understand that atheism is the lack of a belief in God?

But you yourself said, "until you can show God interacting with reality in any detectable way, he is nothing more than an idea... a human idea."
God, Gödel, and Omniscience

How is claiming that God is nothing more than an idea any different than claiming there is no God?

What else is new. When they have to create a strawman right out of the box, you need all you need to know.

You yourself, on the question of what atheists claim, stated, "The same claim you make about non christian gods." Well, we believe those gods don't exist. If atheists make the same claim (as you just said they did) you're stating that atheists DO, in fact, believe there is no god.
"The FACT of God's existence": non-Biblical LOGICAL DEBATE

Another atheist in that same thread (Dave RP, post #33) said, "I think that [atheists'] "belief system" is that there is no god as described in the Bible or any other of the available sacred texts around the world."
There you go - atheists believe that there is no god.

I'm not sure how "atheists believe there is no god" is a straw man fallacy when atheists themselves seem to say it all the time.

 

[bhsmte]

But you yourself said, "until you can show God interacting with reality in any detectable way, he is nothing more than an idea... a human idea."
God, Gödel, and Omniscience

How is claiming that God is nothing more than an idea any different than claiming there is no God?


You yourself, on the question of what atheists claim, stated, "The same claim you make about non christian gods." Well, we believe those gods don't exist. If atheists make the same claim (as you just said they did) you're stating that atheists DO, in fact, believe there is no god.
"The FACT of God's existence": non-Biblical LOGICAL DEBATE

Another atheist in that same thread (Dave RP, post #33) said, "I think that [atheists'] "belief system" is that there is no god as described in the Bible or any other of the available sacred texts around the world."
There you go - atheists believe that there is no god.

I'm not sure how "atheists believe there is no god" is a straw man fallacy when atheists themselves seem to say it all the time.

Big difference between; stating you see no reason to believe a God exists and; a God does not exist.

Some folks, just can't seem to grasp that though.

 

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Big difference between; stating you see no reason to believe a God exists and; a God does not exist.

Some folks, just can't seem to grasp that though.

Sure, there's a difference. Too bad that's not what you said there, though.

 

[bhsmte]

Sure, there's a difference. Too bad that's not what you said there, though.

What specifically did I say and where?

 

[-V-]

What specifically did I say and where?

I already gave that information. I quoted you word for word and gave the link of where it came from.