Making 4/20 a day of prayer for deliverance

[bsd13]

BTW. You are on a substance abuse thread. Please be mindful of the thousands of folks that this affects.
God created the marijuana plant before man sinned. Prior to sin the plant would not have been abused. Can man do anything without sinning?

Ecclesiastes 7:4 They are wise sayings.

1) No one is encouraging marijuana abuse. I'm simply showing and stating that there's no basis for call it's usage sin.

2) Can man do anything without sin? Not according to scripture. But you say that prior to sin the plant would not have been abused? Does that mean it wouldn't have been used at all, or not used as a pharmaceutical, or what...?

 

[MyHeroIsJesus]

I spent a few years in emergency services. Saw many people killed in automobile accidents, families destroyed because of them. So then by applying your logic, if even ONE person loses their life not only is it not Biblical it is a sin. Which means we as a church body should stand against it.

Why did they lose their life? Sin. I am against it.

Right? Yeah no, that's going a bit too far isn't it. After all you like your car and you sure the hell wouldn't want to have to walk EVERYWHERE you went. The point being that cars cause thousands of deaths of year and since that is (one of) your litmus tests that makes pot problematic for you then obviously anything that causes thousands of deaths a year is sinful.

Cars do? People do, and most of the time it is, sin.
Your tactics are of confusion. Car accidents are caused by people, sometimes they are just accidents, but more offen than not they are caused by people sinning. All things should be done for the Glory of God. If you think smoking pot brings Glory to God you are sadly mistaken.

Tell me, staying on with the subject of death do you believe that manufacturing weapons of war which cause many times over the number of deaths that pot does is sinful?

Not the manufacture the use.

You see I can pull out anything that causes death, since again that's the litmus test you presented, and make it sinful. I can also cite a great deal more Biblical teachings and passages condemning harming another person than you'll ever pull out about using marijuana (or anything akin to it).

Oh! yes, I can see that you are very clever. It is not my litmus test.

No one disagrees that marijuana has the potential to ruin lives, but so does chocolate candy but we'll never see the church rally against that now will we. I wonder why that is?

What church. Do you think Jesus would speak out about anything that did not agree with the Father?

As far as seeing "many lives ruined" we could spend all day trading stories about various things that have ruined many lives. So are all of those sinful or are they just "bad ideas"?

Bad ideas by sinful man, of which I am the worst.

 

[TheMainException]

Guys, this is getting steadily out of hand and turning into a boxing match of the person instead of the subject. Stop taking punches on the person and keep it friendly. I assure you, there are eyes on the thread. There's no need for people to get kicked out for lameness.

Christians and athiests and Jews and Muslims and all others will have opinions about the use of marijuana. Many things, both good and bad can be abused. Sex and food can be abused just like marijuana. Their potentials for addiction are probably similar.

In my research, I've not read of any deaths from the use of marijuana. I've read of deaths due to marijuana used in combination of alcohol while driving, but this could be simply an alcohol issue. It is impossible to OD on marijuana because at a certain point, the user simply falls asleep.

People are rarely shot or robbed due to marijuana on the street level. When bigger dealers are involved over cross country lines, then problems can occur with authorities and weapons, but this is not often seen. It IS more often seen with cocaine and heroin though. In addition, street violence from both abusers and dealers and rival dealers can be quite intense.

Jail time is way out of proportion for the crime of smoking, dealing, or carrying marijuana. Jail time should not occur at all, if anything, the user/abuser should be evaluated for mental problems such as depression or anxiety and rehabilated accordingly with or without a mental issue.

I do not believe the USE of marijuna is a sin, I believe the ABUSE of marijuana is a sin.

 

[bsd13]

Why did they lose their life? Sin. I am against it.

So you've quit driving? And don't tell me you have to drive.

Cars do? People do, and most of the time it is, sin.

That argument works well for guns, not for cars.

Your tactics are of confusion. Car accidents are caused by people, sometimes they are just accidents, but more offen than not they are caused by people sinning. All things should be done for the Glory of God. If you think smoking pot brings Glory to God you are sadly mistaken.

That's entirely absurd. People sinning causes car accidents? For example...

Not the manufacture the use.

Ok, so you wouldn't mind making it and stock piling it in the desert somewhere just so long as no one was able to use it? Makes sense...

Clarification: "It" being either weapons or marijuana

Oh! yes, I can see that you are very clever. It is not my litmus test.

Seems to be judging by what you've stated in your reply.

What church. Do you think Jesus would speak out about anything that did not agree with the Father?

Absolutely he would speak out about things that didn't agree with the Father. He spoke out about them changing money in the temple for (a very obvious) example.

Bad ideas by sinful man, of which I am the worst.

Ok

 

[bsd13]

Guys, this is getting steadily out of hand and turning into a boxing match of the person instead of the subject. Stop taking punches on the person and keep it friendly. I assure you, there are eyes on the thread. There's no need for people to get kicked out for lameness.

What's getting out of hand? It's called debating. There's nothing personal about what is being said to one another. When we start calling each other idiots (or something similar) then it is personal in the meanwhile it is simply a difference of opinion on a subject.

 

[TheMainException]

I'm merely saying that it could easily be put to an end by someone who deemed it as inapropriate.

I didn't say it was out of hand, I said it was steadily getting out of hand. i want the discussion to continue and not get a thread lock on it.

 

[Zyphyr]

Thank you.
We can debate and still be civilized.
Quite frankly though, I am for once at a loss for words.
Not due to "myheroisjesus" being any less of a person mentally than myself, but due to his/her religious confusion.
It's like trying to explain things to the mom from "Carrie".

 

[TheMainException]

I'm going to bet that both sides will agree that the other is confused.

 

[MyHeroIsJesus]

It is not for me to decide whether or not anyone is confused. I think I will leave it at that.

Seek Christ in all you do.

 

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[I'ddie4him2]

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