Majority of Americans say heartbeat abortion bans are not too restrictive

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But still, as I've said elsewhere (and you never replied), there are many, many women in the U.S. (and the world) who are pro-life. Why does their opinion not seem to count for anything?
 
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It looks like you're promoting a form of ethical consequentialism. I'm not sure that works well as an ethical system, and so I think it may fall short when evaluating moral decisions individuals make. It doesn't seem to include a framework for what ought to be done as it doesn't consider intent and purpose. If this is correct, then I'm not sure how you could attribute any moral content to individuals themselves and the choices they make. There would be no moral difference between someone who accidentally hit someone with a car because they fell asleep at the wheel after working a 12 hour night shift to provide for their 4 kids (ie, manslaughter) vs a premeditated murderer who murders for personal pleasure. Perhaps both should get the death penalty?

I'm not clear why someone who is pro-life should accept this as a framework for moral decisions. You may believe it's the case, but I'm not sure why a pro-lifer should agree. I don't think one would be required to accept a consequentialist position when evaluating the morality of a couple undergoing IVF vs someone conducting abortion as a form of birth control.

As a side note, I'm also not convinced that a national "drone policy" (if there is such a defined "policy," and I suspect this isn't defined as a national policy) is analogous to IVF (or abortion for that matter). In the case of a drone pilot, the decesions, mental processes, reasons and intent of the pilot (as well as possible outcomes of actions) seem vastly different from a couple trying to create new life. In any case, I'm not convinced that categorizing the actions of an abstract, generic "drone pilot" or "drone-policy-maker" is even a valid or comparable category for moral evaluations.
 
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Mark, are you no longer voting for pro-abortion democrats? Are you finally seeing the light on this?
 
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But this is such a small percentage of all abortions, and most will make an exception for rape. I, personally, would prefer an additional charge for any man the rapes in impregnates a woman. In fact, if she aborts, he should be charged with murder.

And do you really have such a low opinion of women that unless the state tells them they need contraception they won't know? Gosh, that's kind of insulting.
 
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I will also add that even in the case of rape, not being given the choice to become pregnant does not give you the authority to take the life of another.

One of my adoptive children has been alleged to come about this way, but it's never been verified. But the thought that she has less rights than anyone else is vial. That said, I can see why it would be hard for a rape victim to carry the child to term. If she can't, I say charge the rapist with murder.
 
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I don't know how a rapist can be charged with murder that was committed by a doctor. He did not decide whether the baby should live or die. But there is no reason to punish the doctor for what the father did.

He created a life against a woman's will. If the woman cannot deal with bringing that baby to term and she aborts, it's his fault. I say lock him up for life.
 
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Murder is a legal term meaning the unlawful taking of a human life. Abortion is not illegal thus not murder.

Killing Jews during the holocaust in Germany was also not illegal.
 
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According to God, Yes, the "viable" human life has rights...see my post above...#101 on Scripture wisdom on viable life rights.

Absolutely. In fact, both Jesus and John the Baptist were spoken of a persons while they were in the womb.
 
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Any poll should start with democraphics: if you leave the gender questoin blank you can't continue taking it. Only men voted for Alabama's abortion ban and the reason is self-explanatory.

Do you have any evidence to back this up?
 
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But still, as I've said elsewhere (and you never replied), there are many, many women in the U.S. (and the world) who are pro-life. Why does their opinion not seem to count for anything?

And, of course, about half of the babies aborted are female. What about their rights?
 
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