MAGOG - Who and where is it exactly?

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AFAIK Able was killed before he had any children, I think you are thinking of Seth.

Which answers the who to your question.
The who commits to the unforgivable sin of murder.
1 john 3:12

 

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Gog A Reubenite ( 1 Chronicles 5:4 ), the father of Shimei. Gog Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

Shechem being Holy, even unto the 4th and 5 generation

The sons of Re’uven the firstborn of Isra’el — he was the firstborn, but because he defiled his father’s bed, his birthright was given to the sons of Yosef the son of Isra’el, though not in such a way as for him to be regarded in the genealogy as the firstborn. 2 For Y’hudah became greater than his brothers, inasmuch as the ruler came from him; nevertheless, the birthright went to Yosef. 3 So these are the sons of Re’uven the firstborn of Isra’el: Hanokh, Pallu, Hetzron and Karmi.

4 The descendants of Yo’el: his son Sh’ma‘yah, his son Gog, his son Shim‘i, 5 his son Mikhah, his son Re‘ayah, his son Ba‘al, 6 and his son Be’erah. Tilgat-Piln’eser king of Ashur carried him away captive; he was leader of the Re’uveni. 7 His brothers, by their clans, as listed in their genealogical records were: Ye‘i’el the leader, Z’kharyah 8 and Bela the son of ‘Azaz the son of Sh’ma the son of Yo’el. He lived in ‘Aro‘er, with territory extending to N’vo and Ba‘al-M‘on; 9 while to the east he occupied territory that extended to the beginning of the desert as one comes from the Euphrates River; because their cattle multiplied in the land of Gil‘ad

 

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From another thread here it was brought up about Magog, didn't want to derail that because there's much to look into.

We first find it in Genesis in the genealogy found there after the flood.

1 Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

3.The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.
4. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.​

We have Seven sons of Japheth

1. Gomer
2. Magog
3. Madia
4. Javan
5. Tubal
6. Meshech
7. Tiras

We are told the sons of Gomer -

1. Ashkenaz
2. Riphath
3. Togarmah

And Javan -

1. Elishah
2. Tarshish
3. Kittim
4. Dodanim

That's seven altogether

So this can be interpreted two ways:
From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

1. It was from all of Japath's sons

OR

2. It was from the sons of Gomer and Javan only. Which I tend to lean towards as it seems to be speaking of the people who live on the edges of the earth. I also tend to lean towards there being one land mass before the flood and soon thereafter it broke up, possibly by all the waters beneath breaking forth and causing the gaps to form. But let's not get off on that trail for now.

The family tree from NOah is repeated in 1 Chron and is the same so I won't post it here to save space.

The other place Magog is mentioned is in Ezekiel

1 And the word of the L-RD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord G-D; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.​

Meshech and Tubal were brothers of Magog, it seems by this (1) verse they lived under Magog?

Persia is present day Iran (a Persian Synagogue in California was recently vandalized) and the place where Esther lived and saved all the Jews.
Ethiopia although named in the Bible was the land of 'Cush', the Son of Ham
Libya - Is 'Put', another son of Ham

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord G-D; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.​

Chapter 39 continues with this:

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.​

Let's see what Josephus has to say about Magog. I'll continue in the next post.

Forgive me for addressing the topographical aspect aside from the numerical composition of The Royal Torah.
After assessing for the past few yrs
It seems to me that there are principles that need to be spoken of.

For instance;
What do the Euphrates river and isles have in common.?
Answer;
a shore like border that erodes with time.

I wonder if gog-ma-gog is likened to such an erosion after their platitude has been deftly revealed.

Matthew 7:24

 

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Forgive me for addressing the topographical aspect aside from the numerical composition of The Royal Torah.
After assessing for the past few yrs
It seems to me that there are principles that need to be spoken of.

For instance;
What do the Euphrates river and isles have in common.?
Answer;
a shore like border that erodes with time.

I wonder if gog magog is likened to such an erosion after their platitude has been deftly revealed.

Matthew 7:24

As for the numerical gematria concerning ten horns that are gog-ma-gog.
Counting the 4 gimels and single mem reveals the cowarding serpents motive.

 

[pinacled]

From another thread here it was brought up about Magog, didn't want to derail that because there's much to look into.

We first find it in Genesis in the genealogy found there after the flood.

1 Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

3.The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.
4. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.​

We have Seven sons of Japheth

1. Gomer
2. Magog
3. Madia
4. Javan
5. Tubal
6. Meshech
7. Tiras

We are told the sons of Gomer -

1. Ashkenaz
2. Riphath
3. Togarmah

And Javan -

1. Elishah
2. Tarshish
3. Kittim
4. Dodanim

That's seven altogether

So this can be interpreted two ways:
From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

1. It was from all of Japath's sons

OR

2. It was from the sons of Gomer and Javan only. Which I tend to lean towards as it seems to be speaking of the people who live on the edges of the earth. I also tend to lean towards there being one land mass before the flood and soon thereafter it broke up, possibly by all the waters beneath breaking forth and causing the gaps to form. But let's not get off on that trail for now.

The family tree from NOah is repeated in 1 Chron and is the same so I won't post it here to save space.

The other place Magog is mentioned is in Ezekiel

1 And the word of the L-RD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord G-D; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.​

Meshech and Tubal were brothers of Magog, it seems by this (1) verse they lived under Magog?

Persia is present day Iran (a Persian Synagogue in California was recently vandalized) and the place where Esther lived and saved all the Jews.
Ethiopia although named in the Bible was the land of 'Cush', the Son of Ham
Libya - Is 'Put', another son of Ham

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord G-D; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.​

Chapter 39 continues with this:

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.​

Let's see what Josephus has to say about Magog. I'll continue in the next post.

Josephus is a fraud just as rashi is.

 

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Shechem being Holy

The sons of Re’uven the firstborn of Isra’el — he was the firstborn, but because he defiled his father’s bed, his birthright was given to the sons of Yosef the son of Isra’el, though not in such a way as for him to be regarded in the genealogy as the firstborn. 2 For Y’hudah became greater than his brothers, inasmuch as the ruler came from him; nevertheless, the birthright went to Yosef. 3 So these are the sons of Re’uven the firstborn of Isra’el: Hanokh, Pallu, Hetzron and Karmi.

4 The descendants of Yo’el: his son Sh’ma‘yah, his son Gog, his son Shim‘i, 5 his son Mikhah, his son Re‘ayah, his son Ba‘al, 6 and his son Be’erah. Tilgat-Piln’eser king of Ashur carried him away captive; he was leader of the Re’uveni. 7 His brothers, by their clans, as listed in their genealogical records were: Ye‘i’el the leader, Z’kharyah 8 and Bela the son of ‘Azaz the son of Sh’ma the son of Yo’el. He lived in ‘Aro‘er, with territory extending to N’vo and Ba‘al-M‘on; 9 while to the east he occupied territory that extended to the beginning of the desert as one comes from the Euphrates River; because their cattle multiplied in the land of Gil‘ad

A conversation about garments along with a warmth in spirit is beyond the spirit of understanding(honey) of those whose feet and hands have betrayed Yeshua.
The gog-ma-gog host knows nothing of water and fire..
Hence their ignorance in building without a foundation..
Their hearts are so hardened that they would not even mourn the death of those who have spoken the Truth.
And even if they offered a yom(day) of mourning.
It will never be received.

Ezekiel 33:4

 

[Lulav]

Josephus is a fraud just as rashi is.

I think you'd better explain that one.

fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right...

 

[pinacled]

I think you'd better explain that one.

fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right...

The deception formally known as rashi is a mere acronym held by those that call evil good.
As for the Josephus fraud.
Simple:
The author miss spoke and revealed they had no knowledge of the hebrew language.

I warn you the same as I've other sisters and brothers.

Blessings Always

 

[Lulav]

The deception formally known as rashi is a mere acronym held by those that call evil good.
As for the Josephus fraud.
Simple:
The author miss spoke and revealed they had no knowledge of the hebrew language.

I warn you the same as I've other sisters and brothers.

Blessings Always

You can't just post that without evidence. Please put forth something to back it up.

 

[pinacled]

You can't just post that without evidence. Please put forth something to back it up.

Forgive me for assuming what I stated as Truth would be received.

Holding no wrongs with a style of communication is rarely found to be of value by editors.

The acromonic nonsense known as rashi is evidence by omission.
And the burden of evidence is further carried by the sorcerer Josephus who lies about history.

 

[pinacled]

You can't just post that without evidence. Please put forth something to back it up.

Regardless of the lies..
I personally find a conversation in Torah to be beyond measure...

A place likened to a 9th yom

 

[AbbaLove]

You can't just post that without evidence. Please put forth something to back it up.

Since when does any major religion whether Judaism or Christianity require irrefutable, indisputable, unquestionable evidence? Isn't it all about "Trust" (Tanakh) and "Faith" (Apostolic Writings) in the LORD and His Word (John 1:1-14) as recorded by men and women under the inspiration of the Spirit of G-D?

What evidence is there that the Oral Torah of Rabbinic Judaism is from G-D?​

 

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You can't just post that without evidence. Please put forth something to back it up.

The warning is for all to steer clear of rashi.

As for a flood of misinformation that has been strewn about in writings over the past few millennium.
Consider what the enemy has to gain in lying about history.
The motive is quite obvious when viewed from such a perspective..
The enemy demeans all others and claims to have brought mankind out of the neaderthall caves of ignorance to a splendid highly advanced civilization.
Not only does the enemy boast in such a manner.
They force such views upon the public and secular government officials that have submitted in taking its mark.

The rank and file of those that have taken the mark always use their cryptic language known currently as rhetoric.

 

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An example of the who that is gog can be found in the secular institutional media that has claimed with a lie that the Methodist congregation convened and voted how to approach the subject of same sex marriage.

Gog not only sows strife with lies.
Its goal is to divide a governing body with north south like rhetoric.
Hence the caste system that is instilled with a tax upon the poor who outnumber the evil ones host of filthy lucre.

Only the luciferians(televigilantes) are allowed by the evil one to speak on certain channels.

Even while they have gained in capital and attempted to oppress the Truth with their masters flood of misinformation.

The Poor will Stand without fear.

 

[pinacled]

I think you'd better explain that one.

fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right...

Fraudulence from the luciferians that claim to be believers is quite obvious when they promote lawlessness.
They blaspheme all That is Holy and encourage others to do the same so that their capital reward will be paid to ensure a temporal comfort of worldly wealth.
I believe it is called fame and fortune.

Do you know of a cyruss like person that has desired such filth?
I do and hardly give a thought about such a pharaohs demise.
They made their choice and took the mark of destruction willingly.
Such coveteousness in storing grain in a pyramid is what the luciferian rhetoric reveals.
Not only are they lacking in credential lives.
They mean to kill others with lies.

Sis,
Remember this well.
No secular government serves The Lord with a majority vote from the Faithful Host that serve The Kingdom.

 

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The Fraudulence from the luciferians that claim to be believers is quite obvious when they promote lawlessness.
They blaspheme all That is Holy and encourage others to do the same so that their capital reward will be paid to ensure a temporal comfort of worldly wealth.
I believe it is called fame and fortune.

Do you know of a cyruss like person that has desired such filth?
I do and hardly give a thought about such a pharaohs demise.
They made their choice and took the mark of destruction willingly.
Such coveteousness in storing grain in a pyramid is what the luciferian rhetoric reveals.
Not only are they lacking in credential lives.
They mean to kill others with lies.

Sis,
Remember this well.
No secular government serves The Lord with a majority vote from the Faithful Host that serve The Kingdom.

The current cyruss being promoted is a luciferian mockery from the children whom desire to devour their own mother.
"Power corrupts..."
2 thessalonians 3

 

[pinacled]

From another thread here it was brought up about Magog, didn't want to derail that because there's much to look into.

We first find it in Genesis in the genealogy found there after the flood.

1 Now this is the genealogy of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And sons were born to them after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.

3.The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.
4. The sons of Javan were Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.​

We have Seven sons of Japheth

1. Gomer
2. Magog
3. Madia
4. Javan
5. Tubal
6. Meshech
7. Tiras

We are told the sons of Gomer -

1. Ashkenaz
2. Riphath
3. Togarmah

And Javan -

1. Elishah
2. Tarshish
3. Kittim
4. Dodanim

That's seven altogether

So this can be interpreted two ways:
From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations.

1. It was from all of Japath's sons

OR

2. It was from the sons of Gomer and Javan only. Which I tend to lean towards as it seems to be speaking of the people who live on the edges of the earth. I also tend to lean towards there being one land mass before the flood and soon thereafter it broke up, possibly by all the waters beneath breaking forth and causing the gaps to form. But let's not get off on that trail for now.

The family tree from NOah is repeated in 1 Chron and is the same so I won't post it here to save space.

The other place Magog is mentioned is in Ezekiel

1 And the word of the L-RD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord G-D; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.​

Meshech and Tubal were brothers of Magog, it seems by this (1) verse they lived under Magog?

Persia is present day Iran (a Persian Synagogue in California was recently vandalized) and the place where Esther lived and saved all the Jews.
Ethiopia although named in the Bible was the land of 'Cush', the Son of Ham
Libya - Is 'Put', another son of Ham

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord G-D; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? 15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: 16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.​

Chapter 39 continues with this:

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.​

Let's see what Josephus has to say about Magog. I'll continue in the next post.

Another of the gog-ma-gog traits and tact can be found in Judas the betrayer and all that follow his example in violence toward the faithful.
They having willfully accepted the mark of destruction and are in a desperate position.
And when their cup is refused, usury is the last result used to convince the whole of the faithful that luciferians along with mammon are an overwhelming force.

And i believe the Faithfull know the outcome of the murderers that committed the unforgivable.

 

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If I recall the history of Israel correctly.
Wasn't David described as a bird by his enemies.?
A king that loved his enemies.
A warrior monk with an ephod to remind him of a past faithfulness in defeating a 6 fingered giant who thought to wield a sword tempered with Truth with a lying hand.
While the giant failed to fully grasp the sword.
It was a stone that sealed his fate.


As the 8th born of the house of bread given a spirit of courage in knowledge and understanding stood and showed true strength in tossing a millstone.
A fateful sign was revealed upon the head of The Lords enemies.
A sign of their indelicate act of torahlessness and defiance of delicate petals of flowers.
Always looking for faults in others to take advantage of in an exploitive manner. The 6 fingered goliath of the world ignore tempered gold of faith and find only a millstone upon their neck.

 

[HARK!]

 

[pinacled]

I think you'd better explain that one.

fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right...

Evidence by omission;
Even in disregarding the possible errors of multiple renditions leaving an original historical work invalid. The word use of Europe stood out. Especially considering it wasnt till the 9th century such a word as europe was used.
Citation of supposed pseudonym(author) Josephus is below in brackets]

[1. Now they were the grandchildren of Noah, in honor of whom names were imposed on the nations by those that first seized upon them. Japhet, the son of Noah, had seven sons: they inhabited so, that, beginning at the mountains Taurus and Amanus, they proceeded along Asia, as far as the river Tansis, and along Europe to Cadiz;]