Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[Gospel_van]

So they evolved - and in just 6,000 years? Or, don't tell me, they are a mutant form brought about by the Fall.

Yes, they evolved into kangaroos from the original created kind that God made.
If you would like to learn more about how this process took place relatively fast I would recommend reading my post here:
God's great creation

 

[lesliedellow]

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.701961)]God flooded the earth as to preserve the human genome from contamination.

I have heard everything now. So where does it say that in Genesis?

 

[lesliedellow]

Yes, they evolved into kangaroos from the original created kind that God made.
If you would like to learn more about how this process took place relatively fast I would recommend reading my post here:
God's great creation

I'm afraid not. It takes about 10,000 years for Evolution to effect even a small change in a population.

 

[Skreeper]

By naughty things you must be referring to the direct defilement of animals...the people were having sex with animals. But no, that is not why God flooded the earth; although it can definitely be an attributed reason.
God flooded the earth as to preserve the human genome from contamination.

So the guy who drowns everyone claims that every person on the planet is doing naughty things with animals. How convenient that he gets to do the drowning. And I don't see how that has an effect on the human genome because that's not how it works.

Additionally, the wage of sin is death. All have sinned against their creator on their creators land, eating their creators plants, drinking his water. Each breathe you take is a gift from God.

I get it. Might makes right. He created us and we're his puppet slaves that are supposed to do as we're told.

Why are you here? To learn? To teach? To fight? It certainly doesn't seem like you are on this Christian forum to learn a Christian perspective, rather, to ridicule it. Is that your purpose here? To ridicule what you clearly don't understand?

I have learned the Christian perspective when I was a Christian myself. And I just like to discuss and debate, so you can take that as my purpose.

 

[The Stamp]

HI stamp,

The believer is not so concerned with physical evidence. You see, for us, if all we're going to entertain as truth is only what we can find physical evidence for, then we'd never make it to Jesus. There is no physical evidence that he was the Son of God, even though God himself said that he was, according to the Scriptures.

Nowhere in the Bible does God say that Jesus is a God.

There is no physical evidence that he was raised from the dead three days after his death, although again, the Scriptures tell us that he did.

Which was added to the Bible hundreds of years later.

There is no physical evidence that he ascended to heaven as his disciples looked on, although the Scriptures tell us that he did.

So, hopefully you'll understand that the believer's faith never rests on the evidence of the natural properties of things. For many of us, and I purposefully use the word 'many' rather than 'all' because you will find those among us who are not a part of us just as the first apostles describe in their day, our faith rests on the foundation that God's word is true. He said the whole earth was flooded and describes for us some of the evidences of that, such as all the mountains were covered and that all creatures that move about the earth died.

We are back to you believing the stories men wrote.

The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

The waters covered the mountains more than fifteen cubits. 'Every' living thing that moved on land perished and it lists birds, livestock, wild animals. 'all' creatures that swarm over the earth and mankind. 'Everything' on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrilss died. 'Every' living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out. People and animals and creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. The Scriptures seem to take an inordinate amount of effort to impress upon the reader that everything on the whole earth died.

Then we are told that the water flooded the earth for 150 days. Now, we've had a lot of pretty awesome floods recorded on the earth, but there's honestly no way that a local flood will flood the earth for 150 days. The standing water is going to be absorbed by the earth and run out where there are valleys between the mountains. When we accept all the descriptions of the flood, it's really very hard to understand that it could be a local flood.

But, I do understand that there are a lot of people, even among those who call themselves believers, who don't actually believe all that the Scriptures describe.

It seems it doesn't take much to get you to believe something does it?

I think you missed the comment I made to a statement you made a few pages back so would you like to address it now?

You said:Faith, as I understand it, is the only way to the truth of those things that are discerned by the spirit.
I replied:
How can it be the only way to truth when it leads most people to the wrong religions? or are there different kinds of faith? if there are how are people supposed to know they are having the 'right' faith? also what is a 'spirit'? it all sounds so made up to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

Some people did naughty things. Still doesn't excuse drowning everyone.

That's why He's God and you're not.

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nowhere in the Bible does God say that Jesus is a God.

That's true.

It says He is God.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[The Stamp]

Additionally, the wage of sin is death. All have sinned against their creator on their creators land, eating their creators plants, drinking his water. Each breathe you take is a gift from God.

I thought we were given free will? if we mess up then don't we pay for it by going to hell? what's the point of having free will if every time we exercise our free will God steps in?

 

[xianghua]

As I already said... if the exact same thing evolves twice, that would be really problematic for evolution to explain.

and this claim base on what scientific source? evidence please.

 

[xianghua]

Really? Eyes among mammals are functionally and qualitatively different? Or are they merely quantitatively different?

yes. they arent the same and they even different in the genetic level. amd again: even a dog with wings will not falsified evolution.

 

[HitchSlap]

Have you read the text? Do you know why God flooded the earth?

He's a bit too rash with his decisions?

 

[HitchSlap]

and this claim base on what scientific source? evidence please.

It's based on the fact that it's never happened yet. Basically, the conditions for the evolution of the exact same species would have to be the exact same sexual and natural selection as the previous one. As you can understand, the selective variables are virtually endless, therefore extremely unlikely. Probably approaching the odds of a god/s existing.

 

[HitchSlap]

That's true.

It says He is God.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Sure, unless his name was Jesus. Then it's not.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, unless his name was Jesus. Then it's not.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[miamited]

Hi stamp,

So, as anyone can readily discern, you and I have different understandings of the very foundation of truth. Such a difference cannot be reconciled between our two worldviews.

You responded to my post:

Nowhere in the Bible does God say that Jesus is a God.

That's not what I said either. I said that God called Jesus His Son. Jesus called God his Father.

You also responded:

It seems it doesn't take much to get you to believe something does it?

Oh, I don't know. People seem to be having a difficult time getting me to believe that the creation is millions and billions of years old or that we evolved as time went along. The Scriptures speak of men 'believing the lie'. They speak of a great deception being sent upon men. As I say, it's a different worldview. You believe man, I believe God.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[HitchSlap]

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Said some anonymous dude.

Next.

 

[HitchSlap]

Hi stamp,

So, as anyone can readily discern, you and I have different understandings of the very foundation of truth. Such a difference cannot be reconciled between our two worldviews.

You responded to my post:


That's not what I said either. I said that God called Jesus His Son. Jesus called God his Father.

You also responded:


Oh, I don't know. People seem to be having a difficult time getting me to believe that the creation is millions and billions of years old or that we evolved as time went along. The Scriptures speak of men 'believing the lie'. They speak of a great deception being sent upon men. As I say, it's a different worldview. You believe man, I believe God.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Actually, you believe what men wrote. There's a difference.

 

[Gospel_van]

I thought we were given free will? if we mess up then don't we pay for it by going to hell? what's the point of having free will if every time we exercise our free will God steps in?

We are given free will and we often use it to sin. Yes, if we sin we go to hell, BUT, Jesus paid the price for our sins by dying on the cross. Jesus was God's sacrifice to humanity. Jesus lived the perfect life and died sinless. If we believe in Jesus and accept His grace we do not have to suffer the consequences—Jesus did for us!
You see, God is a perfect God. Which means He is the epitome of justice and justice must be served. If you have sinned against God, by God's very nature, He must punish you. Jesus lived a sinless life and took the punishment for us. He appeased the wrath of God's almighty justice.

God does not step in every time we sin. The flood was a special circumstance to protect His creation. There are more examples of God stepping in on the behalf of His people but if you sin you are free to do so...but judgement will come to us all...

 

[Gospel_van]

Actually, you believe what men wrote. There's a difference.

2 Timothy 3:16 states that all scripture is God-breathed. Men wrote it on God's behalf and every word is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The writing style is attributed to the writer but the context is from God.

 

[HitchSlap]

2 Timothy 3:16 states that all scripture is God-breathed. Men wrote it on God's behalf and every word is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The writing style is attributed to the writer but the context is from God.

Yeah, I understand your assertion. All you have though, is a pseudonymous copy of an ancient manuscript, claiming god told them to jot something down. Now you tell me, who is gullible, the one making the claim, or the one who accepts it?