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Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

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Ask your pastors this question, Why do animals and plants living on these island not exist anywhere else on earth?

I do not see any problem for Creationists in this question. Perhaps you would like to point out what about it should give them pause?
 
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I do not see any problem for Creationists in this question. Perhaps you would like to point out what about it should give them pause?

If kangaroos were directly created by God, why did he choose to populate Australia alone with them?
 
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Ask your pastors this question, Why do animals and plants living on these island not exist anywhere else on earth?
Could it be because they were isolated from the rest of the world and evolved?
Hi, Stamp! :wave:

Welcome to CF! :wave:

Plants and animals indigenous to what is now Madagascar and Australia were, at one time, not isolated from the rest of the world, as the world at one time was one big supercontinent.

After the Flood in Noah's time, indigenous animals ended up in their respective ecological niches because God sent them there.

And just like you wouldn't put a refrigerator in your living room, you wouldn't put the tomato frog or comet moth on what is now Guam.

Ditto for the plants.
 
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Hi stamp,

I also don't see that your question forces out the creation model. We don't know how the various plants and animals migrated or moved about or found their specific places on the earth after the creation event. There are many animals that have rather specifically outlined habitats. Lions and penguins are found in fairly limited areas of the earth. There are many anomalies concerning animals that we don't really know the 'why' or 'how' of their existence. For example: Bird migrations. There have been several studies done on 'why' birds seem to have such an uncanny ability to know when and where to migrate. One that fascinated me was a study where migratory birds were put in isolated boxes with no ability to see the sky or sun and yet at the proper time they would all orient south. Even if the enclosures were turned, within a very, very short time the birds would again orient themselves back to the southerly direction. It's as if they actually have some sort of built in compass.

Evolutionists will tell you that this is some sort of evolved knowledge or ability. Creationists merely believe that just as God gave unto Adam and Eve the ability to communicate with each other and that same ability lies in the mind of every human, so to, did He create all the other creatures with their specific abilities to do the things that they do; to live in the places where they live upon the earth. Some creatures seem to be able to adapt and live pretty much all over the earth. Some creatures have very limited habitats. The Scriptures tell the believer that God made everything and that it was perfect in its created form when all things were created by God.

One of the understandings that I have of the things of God is that we don't have to be able to explain or understand the 'how and why' of the creation event. We don't have to understand the 'how and why' things have continued as they have and become what they have become. God merely asks us to believe and trust in Him. So, for me, whatever the reason that a particular animal seems tied to a particular habitat or why the birds do what they do doesn't have to be understood. It merely is what it is and it is what it is because God made it to be that way.

I believe God. He gave unto me a fairly detailed account of the 'when' and 'how' of the creation event. Several times His word tells us that He created all things and a couple of times we are told the time in which He made all things. His word tells us that He created Adam out of the dust of the earth and then created Eve from Adam. His word then tells us, through the genealogies, when this first man and woman were created, approximately. Evolutionists and many scientific methods tell us that this simply can't be true. However, despite all the arguments against the simple truth of God's word being true, I believe God.

Many will say that's foolish of me and hard-headed and closed to the truth. You know what? Many said the very same thing about Noah. Elijah stood apart from the general population of Israel. While they were worshiping other gods and building altars to these other gods that they truly believed in their hearts existed, Elijah stood apart. He stood against all that they believed and while they danced and screamed and cut themselves to wake up their non-existent gods to throw down fire upon the earth, Elijah stood back and apart from them. When it came his turn, he tried to make it nearly impossible for his God to do what they were wanting to see done, but God did it!

Sadly, as concerns the creation and the things of God, men aren't nearly as wise and smart as they would make themselves out to be, in my understanding. I believe God. God said He created this realm in 6 days and, according to the genealogies that 6 day period would have been about 6,000 years ago and I believe that. I believe it not because I can prove it, but because God has said it.

BTW, some of this understanding of the creation event comes from understanding also the end of this realm. God created this realm in order that He could come to the day in which He will also destroy and remake this created realm. That day when He will declare, "Now the dwelling of God is with men and they will be His people and He will be their God." All of this 'age' in which we live was created for that day that is coming. When all mankind will know the truth of God.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted
 
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Ask your pastors this question, Why do animals and plants living on these island not exist anywhere else on earth?
Could it be because they were isolated from the rest of the world and evolved?

I wouldn't bother mate, God did it, we know that because the Bible says so. And after the flood God made all the animals go wherever he chose and he doesn't have to explain himself to you or anyone else. Oh and by the way, you'll get your just desserts when he returns, so you better get with the programme. There, that solves it all.
 
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I wouldn't bother mate, God did it, we know that because the Bible says so. And after the flood God made all the animals go wherever he chose and he doesn't have to explain himself to you or anyone else. Oh and by the way, you'll get your just desserts when he returns, so you better get with the programme. There, that solves it all.
And you call yourself an atheist! ;)
 
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Hi stamp,

I also don't see that your question forces out the creation model. We don't know how the various plants and animals migrated or moved about or found their specific places on the earth after the creation event. There are many animals that have rather specifically outlined habitats. Lions and penguins are found in fairly limited areas of the earth. There are many anomalies concerning animals that we don't really know the 'why' or 'how' of their existence. For example: Bird migrations. There have been several studies done on 'why' birds seem to have such an uncanny ability to know when and where to migrate. One that fascinated me was a study where migratory birds were put in isolated boxes with no ability to see the sky or sun and yet at the proper time they would all orient south. Even if the enclosures were turned, within a very, very short time the birds would again orient themselves back to the southerly direction. It's as if they actually have some sort of built in compass.

Evolutionists will tell you that this is some sort of evolved knowledge or ability. Creationists merely believe that just as God gave unto Adam and Eve the ability to communicate with each other and that same ability lies in the mind of every human, so to, did He create all the other creatures with their specific abilities to do the things that they do; to live in the places where they live upon the earth. Some creatures seem to be able to adapt and live pretty much all over the earth. Some creatures have very limited habitats. The Scriptures tell the believer that God made everything and that it was perfect in its created form when all things were created by God.

One of the understandings that I have of the things of God is that we don't have to be able to explain or understand the 'how and why' of the creation event. We don't have to understand the 'how and why' things have continued as they have and become what they have become. God merely asks us to believe and trust in Him. So, for me, whatever the reason that a particular animal seems tied to a particular habitat or why the birds do what they do doesn't have to be understood. It merely is what it is and it is what it is because God made it to be that way.

I believe God. He gave unto me a fairly detailed account of the 'when' and 'how' of the creation event. Several times His word tells us that He created all things and a couple of times we are told the time in which He made all things. His word tells us that He created Adam out of the dust of the earth and then created Eve from Adam. His word then tells us, through the genealogies, when this first man and woman were created, approximately. Evolutionists and many scientific methods tell us that this simply can't be true. However, despite all the arguments against the simple truth of God's word being true, I believe God.

Many will say that's foolish of me and hard-headed and closed to the truth. You know what? Many said the very same thing about Noah. Elijah stood apart from the general population of Israel. While they were worshiping other gods and building altars to these other gods that they truly believed in their hearts existed, Elijah stood apart. He stood against all that they believed and while they danced and screamed and cut themselves to wake up their non-existent gods to throw down fire upon the earth, Elijah stood back and apart from them. When it came his turn, he tried to make it nearly impossible for his God to do what they were wanting to see done, but God did it!

Sadly, as concerns the creation and the things of God, men aren't nearly as wise and smart as they would make themselves out to be, in my understanding. I believe God. God said He created this realm in 6 days and, according to the genealogies that 6 day period would have been about 6,000 years ago and I believe that. I believe it not because I can prove it, but because God has said it.

BTW, some of this understanding of the creation event comes from understanding also the end of this realm. God created this realm in order that He could come to the day in which He will also destroy and remake this created realm. That day when He will declare, "Now the dwelling of God is with men and they will be His people and He will be their God." All of this 'age' in which we live was created for that day that is coming. When all mankind will know the truth of God.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Ted, do you mean the Bible says, and you believe the Bible is Gods word? Sorry i'm not being pedantic, just interested if you got Gods word any other way.
 
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Ted, do you mean the Bible says, and you believe the Bible is Gods word? Sorry i'm not being pedantic, just interested if you got Gods word any other way.

Hi dave,

That's a correct understanding of my faith in God. Paul tells us that the chief importance of there ever even being a Jewish people was that they were entrusted with the very oracles of God. Those 'oracles' are the Scriptures. They have been preserved throughout the generations since their writing by the very hand of God. Even at one point when a part of them were destroyed, God created a duplicate copy. For me, the Scriptures, and only the Scriptures, are what I can be assured are the truth of God. Who He is and all that He has done. What my purpose is and why He created this realm. It's all told to me in the Scriptures and they are complete for the understanding of any man to know God. For me, if I can't verify some understanding or belief of others through the Scriptures, then it's suspect understanding or belief.

Others have different measuring rods for truth.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted
 
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QV above.

6,000 years wouldn't quite be long enough for a super continent to break up, and its constituent parts to find themselves in their current positions. Britain is currently moving away from America at the rate of 2cm a year. So that's 0.00012km meters in 6,000 years.
 
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6,000 years wouldn't quite be long enough for a super continent to break up,
But how long would it take for God to break it up and move them?
 
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Ask your pastors this question, Why do animals and plants living on these island not exist anywhere else on earth?
Could it be because they were isolated from the rest of the world and evolved?
One of the long time member of the forum answered this perfectly adequately a while ago. It turns out that after The Flood, organisms reached these destinations with teleportation and/or rocket powered flight. The specific case studies were of rocket powered flying clams, and teleporting koalas.

Same member also offers several compelling insights on the historic factuality of leprechauns, and Jacobean English spoken in the Middle East during the late Bronze Age.

Checkmate, atheists.
 
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But how long would it take for God to break it up and move them?

So he said, "Hmm, that doesn't look quite right. I had better break it up and try again."

Where is your biblical support for that?
 
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There is the answer to the question. Ignore it. Pretend it really isn't there.

I have to say, this is the technique of both YEC proponents and atheists. Amazing commonality there. Both groups should examine that observation, but I'll bet they both pretend it isn't there. Like deja vu all over again.
 
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There is the answer to the question. Ignore it. Pretend it really isn't there.

I have to say, this is the technique of both YEC proponents and atheists. Amazing commonality there. Both groups should examine that observation, but I'll bet they both pretend it isn't there. Like deja vu all over again.

I'm not sure that's correct to be honest.

YEC proponents believe in something that flies in the face of all scientific research and evidence, Atheist just do not believe in god. I'm struggling to get the connection.
 
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6,000 years wouldn't quite be long enough for a super continent to break up, and its constituent parts to find themselves in their current positions. Britain is currently moving away from America at the rate of 2cm a year. So that's 0.00012km meters in 6,000 years.

Hi leslie,

I understand. However, what I know is that if God wants to split the U.S. into two pieces and separate them by 1,000 miles of water, He can do it before you take your next breath. You or I don't honestly have a clue the forces against the land when the springs of the deep were opened. Where the Atlantic Ocean sits right now could well be where one of the large springs of the deep opened up and split the continents hundreds of miles apart. The Mariana trench could actually be where all that water came out of the earth. I'm just throwing these out as possibilities. I don't know, but I also know that neither do you.

You claim that the north american and european continents are moving apart at 2cm/yr. That's fine and for today that may well be true. What proof do you have that for every year of the last 6,000 years that 2cm drift has been the only phenomenon that has separated the two continents? How do you know that at some point in history past the continents didn't suddenly separate by hundreds of miles in a near instant and then settled to this 2cm drift after the main event? You honestly don't have a clue what happened to the earth 4,500 years ago when the flood waters were over the whole earth. You're merely listening to science today tell you that this 2cm drift is occurring today. I don't have any problem with that being the truth of what's happening today. I'm just not convinced that there is any assurance that in the last 6,000 years of earth's history that such drift has always been some constant of the effect.

Do you have someone's testimony of what happened 4500 years ago upon the earth?

God bless you.
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi leslie,

I understand. However, what I know is that if God wants to split the U.S. into two pieces and separate them by 1,000 miles of water, He can do it before you take your next breath. You or I don't honestly have a clue the forces against the land when the springs of the deep were opened. Where the Atlantic Ocean sits right now could well be where one of the large springs of the deep opened up and split the continents hundreds of miles apart. The Mariana trench could actually be where all that water came out of the earth. I'm just throwing these out as possibilities. I don't know, but I also know that neither do you.

You claim that the north american and european continents are moving apart at 2cm/yr. That's fine and for today that may well be true. What proof do you have that for every year of the last 6,000 years that 2cm drift has been the only phenomenon that has separated the two continents? How do you know that at some point in history past the continents didn't suddenly separate by hundreds of miles in a near instant and then settled to this 2cm drift after the main event? You honestly don't have a clue what happened to the earth 4,500 years ago when the flood waters were over the whole earth. You're merely listening to science today tell you that this 2cm drift is occurring today. I don't have any problem with that being the truth of what's happening today. I'm just not convinced that there is any assurance that in the last 6,000 years of earth's history that such drift has always been some constant of the effect.

Do you have someone's testimony of what happened 4500 years ago upon the earth?

God bless you.
In Christ, ted
Nope, all we can do is create models based on what we currently observe.

We'll leave the wouldashouldacoulda to you guys.
 
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Hi leslie,

I understand. However, what I know is that if God wants to split the U.S. into two pieces and separate them by 1,000 miles of water, He can do it before you take your next breath. You or I don't honestly have a clue the forces against the land when the springs of the deep were opened. Where the Atlantic Ocean sits right now could well be where one of the large springs of the deep opened up and split the continents hundreds of miles apart. The Mariana trench could actually be where all that water came out of the earth. I'm just throwing these out as possibilities. I don't know, but I also know that neither do you.

You claim that the north american and european continents are moving apart at 2cm/yr. That's fine and for today that may well be true. What proof do you have that for every year of the last 6,000 years that 2cm drift has been the only phenomenon that has separated the two continents? How do you know that at some point in history past the continents didn't suddenly separate by hundreds of miles in a near instant and then settled to this 2cm drift after the main event? You honestly don't have a clue what happened to the earth 4,500 years ago when the flood waters were over the whole earth. You're merely listening to science today tell you that this 2cm drift is occurring today. I don't have any problem with that being the truth of what's happening today. I'm just not convinced that there is any assurance that in the last 6,000 years of earth's history that such drift has always been some constant of the effect.

Do you have someone's testimony of what happened 4500 years ago upon the earth?

God bless you.
In Christ, ted
The short answer to that question is yes, unless you are talking about some miraculous Last Thursdayism. Is that where you're heading with this?
 
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