Macroevolution:

[AV1611VET]

How many times are you going to ask that question? The answer is the same as it was last time and the time before. If I had to label myself it would probably supralapsarian, but more likely I would say that, which view is correct, is not a question that can answered from the Bible, and therefore it probably shouldn't asked in the first place.

Well excuse me all to Helsinki and back.

I'll try to remember the next time.

 

[AV1611VET]

* replies *

Thank you for your brief and very straightforward and concise replies.

 

[lesliedellow]

So it's not God's will that any should perish.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Any means any and all means all.

The word "all" is relative to the persons whom Peter is addressing. "Follow the pronouns," as somebdy has said.

 

[AV1611VET]

The word "all" is relative to the persons whom Peter is addressing. "Follow the pronouns," as somebdy has said.

Okay.

 

[Strathos]

Thank you for your brief and very straightforward and concise replies.

I know that's the way you like them.

I didn't elaborate because I'm sure you've heard all of it before.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

More fantastic than some super natural being going; poof, magic?

You know, many thought we could never get to the moon either and the thought of doing so was too fantastic to consider real. The reality is; science can figure out stuff, where these things that seem fantastic to some, make sense.

Maybe they can turn their attention to our most pressing problem: human nature (seeing as how they seem to know everything about us humans).

 

[tevans9129]

I see Tevans has avoided responding to my posts and has retreated into the default creationist position of posting "quotes" and random PRATTs.

What a surprise.

What is not a surprise is the word of an evolutionist cannot be trusted, they agree to answer all questions they may be asked in a discussion when they have no intention of honoring their word.

My contention from the beginning is that evolutionist cannot provide physical evidence of one species evolving into an entirely different species and you acknowledged that to be true. Therefore, with that fact and in addition to your word cannot be trusted, what is the point of any "discussion"?

 

[bhsmte]

LOL

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is not a surprise is the word of an evolutionist cannot be trusted, they agree to answer all questions they may be asked in a discussion when they have no intention of honoring their word.

My contention from the beginning is that evolutionist cannot provide physical evidence of one species evolving into an entirely different species and you acknowledged that to be true. Therefore, with that fact and in addition to your word cannot be trusted, what is the point of any "discussion"?

tevans the problem is that you have a totally false description of how evolution works so no one will be able to meet your demand. Your demand only tells us that you are completely ignorant about this topic. There is no "evolving into an entirely different species". Other apes are not a "totally different species" than you are. In fact you are an ape.

Instead of making false strawman demands, which is not honest on your part, you should try to learn how evolution works. Then you might be able to ask proper questions.

 

[bhsmte]

Maybe they can turn their attention to our most pressing problem: human nature (seeing as how they seem to know everything about us humans).

Who knows everything about humans? What problem would you address about human nature and how would you do it?

 

[lesliedellow]

My contention from the beginning is that evolutionist cannot provide physical evidence of one species evolving into an entirely different species and you acknowledged that to be true. Therefore, with that fact and in addition to your word cannot be trusted, what is the point of any "discussion"?

You can believe what you like, but that won't change the reality of the situation. If you were really interested, which of course you aren't, there is enough literature written for the layman available from Amazon and elsewhere.

 

[bhsmte]

tevans the problem is that you have a totally false description of how evolution works so no one will be able to meet your demand. Your demand only tells us that you are completely ignorant about this topic. There is no "evolving into an entirely different species". Other apes are not a "totally different species" than you are. In fact you are an ape.

Instead of making false strawman demands, which is not honest on your part, you should try to learn how evolution works. Then you might be able to ask proper questions.

I don't believe that strawman is going away anytime soon. The hole is dug too deep.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Who knows everything about humans? What problem would you address about human nature and how would you do it?

I would explain our weaknesses as well as our strengths beginning from the earliest age.

 

[bhsmte]

I would explain our weaknesses as well as our strengths beginning from the earliest age.

Go ahead and explain.

 

[Jimmy D]

What is not a surprise is the word of an evolutionist cannot be trusted, they agree to answer all questions they may be asked in a discussion when they have no intention of honoring their word.

My contention from the beginning is that evolutionist cannot provide physical evidence of one species evolving into an entirely different species and you acknowledged that to be true. Therefore, with that fact and in addition to your word cannot be trusted, what is the point of any "discussion"?

I posted a sequence of fossils, which you seemingly cannot dispute, which demonstrated not only a change in species but also genus. You either have short term memory issues, a complete lack of understanding of the taxonomic system or are simply being dishonest.

I'm not an evolutionist by the way, just a layman who enjoys debating these topics.

I have asked two or three times for your explanation of the sequence of fossils I posted and not received a proper answer. I'll try again though, if evolution doesn't explain the sequence of thousands of fossils gradually becoming more like the modern horse over tens of millions of years, what does?

 

[tevans9129]

I posted a sequence of fossils, which you seemingly cannot dispute, which demonstrated not only a change in species but also genus. You either have short term memory issues, a complete lack of understanding of the taxonomic system or are simply being dishonest.

I'm not an evolutionist by the way, just a layman who enjoys debating these topics.

I have asked two or three times for your explanation of the sequence of fossils I posted and not received a proper answer. I'll try again though, if evolution doesn't explain the sequence of thousands of fossils gradually becoming more like the modern horse over tens of millions of years, what does?

Did you previously agree to a discussion if we both would agree to answer all questions that we may be asked? Yes.

Did you honor your word and answered all questions that I asked you? No.

End of discussion.

 

[tevans9129]

Apparently, it is just beyond some folk's understanding.

"OK, can you give a plausible answer as to why I am perfectly willing to answer all questions that I may be asked with plausible, verifiable answers and if I do not understand the question, I will ask for clarification or rephrasing and will then answer the question? No excuses, such as it is malformed, it is stupid, it is not relevant, etc. but clear, straightforward answers. OTOH, I have not found one person that will reciprocate in like manner. What kind of excuse do you have for that? BTW, I said I am willing to, I did not say that “I will” unilaterally."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apparently, it is just beyond some folk's understanding.

"OK, can you give a plausible answer as to why I am perfectly willing to answer all questions that I may be asked with plausible, verifiable answers and if I do not understand the question, I will ask for clarification or rephrasing and will then answer the question? No excuses, such as it is malformed, it is stupid, it is not relevant, etc. but clear, straightforward answers. OTOH, I have not found one person that will reciprocate in like manner. What kind of excuse do you have for that? BTW, I said I am willing to, I did not say that “I will” unilaterally."

The problem is that many of your questions are malformed. When you do that you need to learn more so that you can ask a proper question. The fact that you had to include that phrase indicates that you have asked malformed questions many many times.

 

[xianghua]

A single fossil can indeed not be evidence for evolution. What is evidence for evolution is the pattern we see in the fossil record. The fact that we will never see a zebra fossil in the same layer of a dinosaur fossil. Even if both could have lived in the same area; they didn't live in the same period. More over, we see "stranger" aniamsl in older layers, and the more recent the sedimentary layer, the more familiar the fossilized animal looks.

again: it cant be evidence for evolution at all. we can find car first, then a fighter jet and then a
space shuttle by their geological order. but it doesnt prove any evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

again: it cant be evidence for evolution at all. we can find car first, then a fighter jet and then a
space shuttle by their geological order. but it doesnt prove any evolution.

You still do not even understand what is and what is not evidence. Why don't you try to get at least that concept down?