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I think like , why did these animals stop evolving and all are fully evolved all at the same time as we live right now , shouldn't there be leftovers from animals that evolved still alive ? Or why there are no new species evolving now into for example better human beings ?

Is this really the best you can do?
 
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So here we have yet another creationist, who doesn't even know what the theory he presumes to criticise says. Now isn't that a nice change?

In their defense, they probably received a crap education on the subject. If anything it speaks to the need to push for higher standards for science education.
 
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There is no need to further demonstrate your ignorance of the ToE. You have done that quite convincingly already.

Well , your ignorance in 150 year unproven theory in change of kinds is even greater :)
 
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At the end of the day, that is all that matters. I just wouldn't be shocked, if there is a whole bunch of other Christians and non Christians, that do accept well evidenced science.

Well I don't argue with my doctors, at least while they're hovering over me with a scalpel. :eek:
 
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Well , your ignorance of 150 year unproven theory in change of kinds is even greater :)

Myself, I am more interested in physics than biology, but even with my limited knowledge of the ToE I am still far better acquainted with it than either you, or countless other YECs, self evidently are.
 
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How often do doctors hover over you with a scalpel?

About every three years or so lately. Hopefully I won't need any more surgeries though. :prayer:


Minister loudly to dying patient: "Well, are you ready to renounce the devil and cleave to the Lord??!!

Dying man, weakly: "I'm in no condition to aggravate anyone."
 
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In their defense, they probably received a crap education on the subject. If anything it speaks to the need to push for higher standards for science education.

If they are home schooled in the southern states of America, the extent of their scientific education is probably none at all. It can hardly be otherwise, given some of the stuff which gets posted on here.
 
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I think like , why did these animals stop evolving and all are fully evolved all at the same time as we live right now , shouldn't there be leftovers from animals that evolved still alive ? Or why there are no new species evolving now into for example better human beings ?
If any of that was even remotely true, the theory of evolution would be completely discredited.
 
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Phylogenetic tree:

phylogenetic%20tree.jpg


It's the thing that creationists want to pretend is fiction, yet it's the very thing that has real-world application.
What application? Your tree shows a common ancestor between chimps and man and the link is not even identified. It is a mysterious creature. Why not unicorns and munchkins? It would appear they do not even know what it was. There is a number substitute instead of a name. The majority of your chart is littered with numbers as opposed to actual names which appear on the right. You guys don't even know what they are? A host of theoretical and undescribed creatures.
There is a major gap between the reality of modern evolutionary biology and what creationists choose to believe about modern evolutionary biology.
Your case is weak. It is unconvincing based mostly on faith. Fictions are incompatible with science which is a search for truth. Your tree is a visual of a myth, nothing more. It has no more of a basis in reality or science than an astrology chart. If not then make your case for a common ancestor.
 
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If any of that was even remotely true, the theory of evolution would be completely discredited.

Well it was not proven for 150 years maybe it's about time to discredit it ?
 
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Well it was not proven for 150 years maybe it's about time to discredit it ?

Creationists can sing that song to themselves as often as they like, and it will still complete, ill informed and utter rubbish.
 
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Well it was not proven for 150 years maybe it's about time to discredit it ?
What you stated is nothing to do with what the theory of evolution actually claims. If you are going to denounce the theory of evolution it would be better to learn first what it actually says.
 
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What you stated is nothing to do with what the theory of evolution actually claims. If you are going to denounce the theory of evolution it would be better to learn first what it actually says.
It says theory not law of evolution , i believe only in proven things .
 
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It says theory not law of evolution , i believe only in proven things .
You only believe in mathematics? Still, you obviously have no idea of what the theory of evolution actually says, which makes your statements against it seem silly and ineffective.
 
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It says theory not law of evolution , i believe only in proven things .

That's cool.

I am quite certain though, well evidenced reality and the scientific theories that explain this reality, are not dependent on you agreeing with them.
 
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What you stated is nothing to do with what the theory of evolution actually claims. If you are going to denounce the theory of evolution it would be better to learn first what it actually says.

Some chance of that. Wilful ignorance is the only defence they have against discovering that their house is built on the quick sand they secretly suspect it of being.
 
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You only believe in mathematics? Still, you obviously have no idea of what the theory of evolution actually says, which makes your statements against it seem silly and ineffective.
I believe in micro evolution , but not macro .
 
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