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is that sin(state)? (<-- Dad, that's a math joke.)

Actually I just like how God-math fits right into "human ignorance" math and "human pride" math. Human Pride math is when someone who doesn't even marginally understand simple 7th grade algebra wants to sound like he does and won't allow that he might be just spouting gibberish. That way he can maintain his immense pride and even spew bile at science that he clearly can't understand.

But I'm sure that's just the appearance. :)

Not sure what about the math that includes the spiritual and God's will, you find untrue.



But why does algebra have to completely break down. "God Math" simply doesn't make any sense. It is unworkable.

Now, if you could explain simply how such "math" works such that

A*B/C = C*A then maybe we'd get somewhere.
What is the B and A and C stand for?

Here's an example for you Dad, with real numbers in it!

5 x 10 / 2 = 50/2 = 25

"God Math" says:

5x10/2 = 2*5 = 10

Well, no, God's math says everything depends. Light from a star moving at variable speeds, need not be locked into a number we set.

So if God Math winds up with an answer that is about 2.5 times off from the actual value then I think we might have an insight into Young Earth Creationism.

(NOTE: I fully expect Dad to whine about using "real numbers" instead of magic God-numbers. Maybe this is a new area for AV: "embedded algebra" in which God "embeds" the right answer into the wrong formula!)

So, you cannot assign your numgers on God. Or your will.
 
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Math is the only universal truth. No matter what, 1 = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = 3, 3 + 3 = 6, 4 - 2 = 2.

No matter how much you believe 1 / 3 = 1, it doesn't, it never will and it never has.

Of course, I know you have a hard time with logic, and maths is the ultimate in logic, but seriously? Do you genuinely believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3? That's absolute nonsense.

You remind me of this clip in Blackadder, when Blackadder tries to teach Baldric maths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K71MckOTt1M
 
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Math is the only universal truth. No matter what, 1 = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = 3, 3 + 3 = 6, 4 - 2 = 2.

No matter how much you believe 1 / 3 = 1, it doesn't, it never will and it never has.

Of course, I know you have a hard time with logic, and maths is the ultimate in logic, but seriously? Do you genuinely believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3? That's absolute nonsense.

You remind me of this clip in Blackadder, when Blackadder tries to teach Baldric maths:

Oh my! I LOVED Blackadder! (So much better than Mr. Bean!) Thanks!
 
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You remind me of this clip in Blackadder, when Blackadder tries to teach Baldric maths:
That chair he was sitting it --- was it a prototype of Captain Kirk's chair?
 
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Wherever B=C[sup]2[/sup], the equation is true.

Indeed! But in Dad's "God Math" that would mean that God's Will is equal to the square root of the "Former Light Speed"!

Why, that's an amazing breakthrough! God's will is in units of m[sup]1/2[/sup]/s[sup]1/2[/sup]

Selah!
 
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What is the B and A and C stand for?

Oh. Sorry. That's called algebra. The A,B and C don't necessarily stand for any particular thing, it shows the form of how the calculation is done.

But I'm most interested now in how someone makes it through elementary school and junior high anytime within the 20th and 21st century and doesn't have an introduction to algebra?
 
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Don't sidestep around the point of the post.
Which is what?

The Parable of the Sower?

The guy that came in through the door was equated with a bird, and there were seeds present.
Matthew 13:4 said:
And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
 
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is that sin(state)? (<-- Dad, that's a math joke.)

Actually I just like how God-math fits right into "human ignorance" math and "human pride" math. Human Pride math is when someone who doesn't even marginally understand simple 7th grade algebra wants to sound like he does and won't allow that he might be just spouting gibberish. That way he can maintain his immense pride and even spew bile at science that he clearly can't understand.

But I'm sure that's just the appearance. :)

Not sure what about the math that includes the spiritual and God's will, you find untrue.



But why does algebra have to completely break down. "God Math" simply doesn't make any sense. It is unworkable.

Now, if you could explain simply how such "math" works such that

A*B/C = C*A then maybe we'd get somewhere.
What is the B and A and C stand for?

Here's an example for you Dad, with real numbers in it!

5 x 10 / 2 = 50/2 = 25

"God Math" says:

5x10/2 = 2*5 = 10

Well, no, God's math says everything depends. Light from a star moving at variable speeds, need not be locked into a number we set.

So if God Math winds up with an answer that is about 2.5 times off from the actual value then I think we might have an insight into Young Earth Creationism.

(NOTE: I fully expect Dad to whine about using "real numbers" instead of magic God-numbers. Maybe this is a new area for AV: "embedded algebra" in which God "embeds" the right answer into the wrong formula!)

So, you cannot assign your numgers on God. Or your will.
 
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Math is the only universal truth. No matter what, 1 = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = 3, 3 + 3 = 6, 4 - 2 = 2.

No matter how much you believe 1 / 3 = 1, it doesn't, it never will and it never has.
No! You cannot assign numbers to God. If light from star A moved at C to the hundreth power, and light from star B moved at C to the thousandth power, then you cannot assign one numer to represent C. It is qualified by the will of God. Or man, as the case may have been.

Of course, I know you have a hard time with logic, and maths is the ultimate in logic, but seriously? Do you genuinely believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3? That's absolute nonsense.

Where A and B and C are subject to the willl of God, you cannot stick a number in there. Therefore present math can't translate. Now, if you knew the certain speed of the light from certain stars on a given day in the true state, or part of a day, why, you may be able to make a nice little forula that works well. It would then represent the will of God in the numbers.
 
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What you educated guys can't handle, Thaumaturgy, is what we call "catastrophism" --- it pwns "uniformitarianism" back to where it came from.

Sorry but unless you are going to now say that "catastrophism" means math worked differently in the past then this has nothing to do with uniformitarianism as it relates to earth science.

What I can handle is assuming that Dad simply doesn't "get" algebra. Something almost universally is taught here in the U.S. in middle school.

What I assume is that Dad, like so many who don't really understand science but hope to "bluff their way through" and want to sound like science do what little kids do and "ape" the science or math. That is what Dad appears to be doing.

In addition he doesn't seem to even understand that in algebra you can use letters that can stand in for just about anything to show the form of the equation.

And your unwavering dedication to it sets up mental blocks that you guys can't get around

You can't truly be serious here, AV. You got an AA degree in what, comp sci? wasn' it? Surely you understand simple algebra.

So that must mean you think that at some time in the past mathematical constructs behaved differently.

This calls into question the very foundations of understanding. It is one thing if you wish to call into question the meaning of words but when you call into question the very nature of mathematical relationships then you are left without any anchor to understand anything.

Here's an example for you:

In this "bizarro world" where the laws of basic math don't hold then we can no longer assume that the Genesis story makes sense to ANYONE, even Biblical Literalists. ESPECIALLY Biblical Literalists because nothing can be understood about that time if it was related from that time to "now" when the laws of basic math (and presumably logic) held no sway.

Now of course as Gracchus pointed out if A*B/C = C*A then B must equal C[sup]2[/sup], but Dad did us one better and told us specifically what all the terms were:

A = FL ("a star")
B = FL ("Former Light Speed")
C = W ("God's Will")

Ergo unless you and dad think that God's will is something that can be expressed in terms of square root (distance/time) then I think you need to pick your defences a bit better.

(In reality Dad stated that B*A/C but he didn't put any parentheses in and besides it doesn't much matter when dealing with multiplication/division.)

, resulting in rookie errors, faux pas, playing Telephone, bad word choices, improper use of synonyms, etc.

But I'm not doing any of that. I'm merely pointing out Dad's errrors of math.

IF, heaven forbid, he could explain what he means and it didn't sound like "word salad" I'd be willing to give him a pass.

But unless he's going to come right out and tell us that God's Will has units of "square root distance/square root time" then I think we all know exactly what Dad is doing. We've all seen little kids aping the adults and trying to sound like them.

Set your uniformitarianism aside for a moment and try and realize that with God, 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.

No. Man said that when he attempted to understand the Trinity. God didn't say 1+1+1=1. The bible, as interpretted by various scholars in the early church requires that Jesus be both wholly man and wholly God and that the Holy Spirit+Father+Son were one being. IF that is indeed true in any real-world sense it doesn't say that 1+1+1=1. It says that this particular item stands apart from anything we can possibly understand.

(You will note, I'm sure, that there were many differing opinions on the nature of Jesus as divine/human during the early centuries of the Christian church, so if God said it it required quite some time for man to "find it" in the Word.)

Now if you think God said 1+1+1=1 then you must be unable to function in the world. IF, however, you think that Jesus is a completely isolated case then you are not talking about math in general.

And that's just a mild example --- remember the feeding of the 5000?

Yeah. I believe that is why they are called MIRACLES.

Yes, even "perfect" math must bow to catastrophism, when God is crunching the numbers.

No, what you mean is God not only can be but sometimes IS totally arbitrary in how he deals with simple human minds. He sets up the rules only to knock 'em down. Hides himself so people have to seek him out, and then shakes up everything we know for what reason? To have some "fun"?

Sorry, I don't buy this "God-Math" any more than I buy the deceiver God of "Embedded Age".

But, again, he isn't my God. So if you want to worship that then by all means. Enjoy.

Just don't work behind the counter at the fast-food restaurant when I pay for my Happy Meal.

(And I truly wish you could know how hard it is for me to pick on anyone's math skills. But when someone comes on like bull in a china shop like Dad does I'm going to stand up equally strong.)
 
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Sorry but unless you are going to now say that "catastrophism" means math worked differently in the past then this has nothing to do with uniformitarianism as it relates to earth science.

besides, doesn't catastrophism require a catastrophe? I'm not sure dad's algebra counts.
 
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Just to clear up a point, dad, do you think yourself wise, or do you share the consensus opinion?

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Not worldly wise. The bible refers to those that think they know better than God. Not those that try to learn what He says, among all things that they learn.
 
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In addition he doesn't seem to even understand that in algebra you can use letters that can stand in for just about anything to show the form of the equation.
Only if you know what the letters represent. Or some of them. When we are looking at starlight moving at the speed of God's will, you don't.

This calls into question the very foundations of understanding. It is one thing if you wish to call into question the meaning of words but when you call into question the very nature of mathematical relationships then you are left without any anchor to understand anything.
Precisely! That is exactly where you are. Once you knew some of the data points, or in this case, the speeds of light from the set of stars we would include in the equation, then you can crunch numbers. All we know is how light moves here. So, if we look at 5 stars, we simply apply one letter to the speed of light for all of them. In our equation that letter would represent a certain speed. We have to know what a letter represents, of you have no anchor.

Now of course as Gracchus pointed out if A*B/C = C*A then B must equal C[sup]2[/sup], but Dad did us one better and told us specifically what all the terms were:

A = FL ("a star")
B = FL ("Former Light Speed")
C = W ("God's Will")

Ergo unless you and dad think that God's will is something that can be expressed in terms of square root (distance/time) then I think you need to pick your defences a bit better.

(In reality Dad stated that B*A/C but he didn't put any parentheses in and besides it doesn't much matter when dealing with multiplication/division.)



But I'm not doing any of that. I'm merely pointing out Dad's errrors of math.

IF, heaven forbid, he could explain what he means and it didn't sound like "word salad" I'd be willing to give him a pass.

But unless he's going to come right out and tell us that God's Will has units of "square root distance/square root time" then I think we all know exactly what Dad is doing. We've all seen little kids aping the adults and trying to sound like them.

If the speed of star A in the former state was different than the speed of star B, in the former state, then they are not equal. The will of God is applied to both however. It determines the speed of each. You must remember that FL (former light speed) was not a speed! It is more of what we might consider a probability! In other words, it depends on God, and what He willed for them that day. So, you cannot translate FL into a number. Not unless you know what it is. In addition, that number, if we knew the speed that day of the star A, would not be the same perhaps, as star B*FL. So, B*FL does not equal A*FL. Only because we know that it was different that day. Another day B*FL = A*FL ! God's will is the anchor that holds the universe together!

Now, when using simple math, I tried to make it real real simple. Not as if I was some math whiz showing off. The highest grade I completed was grade 9. But I think I can still look at a few stars, and imagine different speeds for each.
 
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