Luke 2:34 and "Resurrection" question

[LittleLambofJesus]

Strong's Number G386 matches the Greek ἀνάστασις (anastasis).
AV — resurrection39, rising again 1, that should rise 1, raised to life again + 1537 1

Hi all. I was studying on the word used for "resurrection" in the NT.
The greek word is used 42 times, but I noticed the KJV lexicion it showed it only 39 times. My question is, what is different about the other times it is used in the NT and the one used in Luke 2:34?
Revelation says the First Resurrection occurs after the "dragon is locked up" while 1 Thess 4 says it is at the sound of a Trump. Can someone help me out on me out on this? Thanks.

Luke 2:34 Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

1 Thessalonians 4:16 because the Lord/kurioV <2962> himself, in a shout, in chief-messenger's voice/ fwnh <5456>, and in a-trump/salpiggi <4536> of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead/nekroi <3498> in Christ shall rise/anasthsontai <450 (5698) first/prwton <4412>,
17 then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones/nekrwn <3498> not live until should be being finished the thousand years, this the resurrection/anastasiV <386>, the first/prwth <4413> .
6 Happy and holy the one having part in the resurrection/anastasei <386>,the first, on of these the second death not is having authority, but they shall be priests and they shall be reigning with him the thousand years.

 

[Hentenza]

Hi all. I was studying on the word used for "resurrection" in the NT.
The greek word is used 42 times, but I noticed the KJV lexicion it showed it only 39 times. My question is, what is different about the other times it is used in the NT and the one used in Luke 2:34?
Revelation says the First Resurrection occurs after the "dragon is locked up" while 1 Thess 4 says it is at the sound of a Trump. Can someone help me out on me out on this? Thanks.

Luke 2:34 Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

1 Thessalonians 4:16 because the Lord/kurioV <2962> himself, in a shout, in chief-messenger's voice/ fwnh <5456>, and in a-trump/salpiggi <4536> of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead/nekroi <3498> in Christ shall rise/anasthsontai <450 (5698) first/prwton <4412>,
17 then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be

Hi LLJ,

The word is the same in Luke 2:34 but the intended meaning might be different. What Simeon is saying is that Jesus will cause the fall and rise of many, not directly the resurrection of Jesus. I believe that the intended use is actually "rise" instead of "resurrection". You can certainly make the argument that Jesus will indeed cause the fall, not saved, go to the pits of hell, or the rise, saved, go to heaven, resurrect in Christ. But I believe the use here is of people rising to meet Christ. In other words, accepting the gospel, becoming believers, and rising to the ocassion, as it where.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi LLJ,

The word is the same in Luke 2:34 but the intended meaning might be different. What Simeon is saying is that Jesus will cause the fall and rise of many, not directly the resurrection of Jesus. I believe that the intended use is actually "rise" instead of "resurrection". You can certainly make the argument that Jesus will indeed cause the fall, not saved, go to the pits of hell, or the rise, saved, go to heaven, resurrect in Christ. But I believe the use here is of people rising to meet Christ. In other words, accepting the gospel, becoming believers, and rising to the ocassion, as it where.

Ok thanks. I believe it also symbolises this event in Ezekiel 37 "Valley of Bones".

Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army. 11 Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, 'Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!'

 

[dimwhitt]

another issue is that roots to words can branch off as seperate words
MENO a root in John for many different synonomys words
MENE same root but with a unique usage

i had the same problem studying certain passages

REMEMBER
the KJV was translated 400 years ago and we know alot more about translations than they did then

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

another issue is that roots to words can branch off as seperate words
MENO a root in John for many different synonomys words
MENE same root but with a unique usage

i had the same problem studying certain passages

REMEMBER
the KJV was translated 400 years ago and we know alot more about translations than they did then

Hi. Did you notice the word in revelation used for "world" also has the root word for "house" in it with the suffix "menhV"

Matt 23:38 Lo, left desolate/a-wilderness/erhmoV <2048> to ye is the house/oikoV <3624> of ye;

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, doing sings which is going-forth upon of-the kings of the land, and the inhabited-house/oikou-menhV <3625> , whole, to be assembling, those, into a battle, the Day, the great, of the God, of the Almighty.

 

[dimwhitt]

Hebrew is especially interesting when it comes to roots
all hebres words that sound a like share the same root

the root for "womb" and "compassion" are the same
it shows special relationships between words

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi. Did you also notice the word in revelation used for "world" also has the root word for "house" in it with the suffix "menhV"

Matt 23:38 Lo, left desolate/a-wilderness/erhmoV <2048> to ye is the house/oikoV <3624> of ye;

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, doing sings which is going-forth upon of-the kings of the land, and the inhabited-house/oikou-menhV <3625> , whole, to be assembling, those, into a battle, the Day, the great, of the God, of the Almighty.

Hebrew is especially interesting when it comes to roots
all hebres words that sound a like share the same root

the root for "womb" and "compassion" are the same
it shows special relationships between words

The Hebrew language is indeed a beutifull and perfect language of which I am studying on now.
I translated the first 6 chapters of Genesis and it actually came pretty close to this new hebrew translation of the second site below.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/

As Hebrew poetry is written much differently than our own Western style of poetry, many do not recognize the poetry which can cause problems when translating or interpreting these passages.

Approximately 75% of the Tenach (Old Testament) is poetry........................

http://www.originalbible.com/articles/1/1/Why-another-Translation

We made a decision several years ago that since this is an English translation, we should stay with English versions of Biblical names. What is the point of pronouncing names as if one were speaking Hebrew? Think about it&#8212;the word Yochanan in Hebrew becomes Ioannes in Greek, John, in English, but then Juan in Spanish, Johann in German, and Jean in French! There is one obvious exception&#8212;we have determined, as most of you know, to leave the various names of God untranslated&#8212;thus YHVH, ELOHIM, EL SHADDAI, and so forth.

 

[dimwhitt]

exciting

i only have a little profinceny in Greek and if i dont have the language tools i can hardly do a thing with it

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi. Did you also notice the word in revelation used for "world" also has the root word for "house" in it with the suffix "menhV"

Matt 23:38 Lo, left desolate/a-wilderness/erhmoV <2048> to ye is the house/oikoV <3624> of ye;

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, doing sings which is going-forth upon of-the kings of the land, and the inhabited-house/oikou-menhV <3625> , whole, to be assembling those into a battle, the Day, the great, of the God, of the Almighty.

exciting

i only have a little profinceny in Greek and if i dont have the language tools i can hardly do a thing with it

You might be interested in this greek/hebrew interlinear. It parses the greek/hebrew words along with genders and tenses and translates every word that is shown in the Greek/Hebrew MSS of which many are absent in most Bible versions today. I love it!!!!

http://www.scripture4all.org/

 

[Fireinfolding]

Hi. Did you notice the word in revelation used for "world" also has the root word for "house" in it with the suffix "menhV"

Matt 23:38 Lo, left desolate/a-wilderness/erhmoV <2048> to ye is the house/oikoV <3624> of ye;

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons, doing sings which is going-forth upon of-the kings of the land, and the inhabited-house/oikou-menhV <3625> , whole, to be assembling, those, into a battle, the Day, the great, of the God, of the Almighty.

Like ones House being left desolate?


Same with storing up deceit in ones house and a habitation of sorts.

Jerm 5:27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: thereforethey are become great, and waxen rich.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Ever notice a bird was killed inside a vessel?

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Like ones House being left desolate?


Same with storing up deceit in ones house and a habitation of sorts.

Jerm 5:27 As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: thereforethey are become great, and waxen rich.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Ever notice a bird was killed inside a vessel?

Peace

Fireinfolding

That would be a good topic to discuss as I have a good study on "birds" also LOL.

I want to keep this thread mainly on that word used in Luke 2:34 and why it was not used as "resurrection" in most bible versions. What are your thoughts? Peace.

Luke 2:34 Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

1 Thessalonians 4:16 because the Lord/kurioV <2962> himself, in a shout, in chief-messenger's voice/ fwnh <5456>, and in a-trump/salpiggi <4536> of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead/nekroi <3498> in Christ shall rise/anasthsontai <450 (5698) first/prwton <4412>,
17 then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones/nekrwn <3498> not live until should be being finished the thousand years, this the resurrection/anastasiV <386> , the first/prwth <4413> .

 

[Fireinfolding]

That would be a good topic to discuss as I have a good study on "birds" also LOL.

I want to keep this thread mainly on that word used in Luke 2:34 and why it was not used as "resurrection" in most bible versions. What are your thoughts? Peace.

Luke 2:34 Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

1 Thessalonians 4:16 because the Lord/kurioV <2962> himself, in a shout, in chief-messenger's voice/ fwnh <5456>, and in a-trump/salpiggi <4536> of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead/nekroi <3498> in Christ shall rise/anasthsontai <450 (5698) first/prwton <4412>,
17 then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones/nekrwn <3498> not live until should be being finished the thousand years, this the resurrection/anastasiV <386>, the first/prwth <4413> .

I have something on my old puter about this Lamb, though I dont connect the dots in the same way you might taking other words within the verse as its support in the comparison.

My sister moved in with us 2 weeks ago and my other computer has been disconnected and removed from her room so I havent immediate access to what I have on there.

Let me look, is why I havent posted, I noticed the different words a few years back.

I usually jump from one puter to the next but I havent been able to do that as of late given the situation.

Hey,You jumped from one topic to another on that thread and I know if Im going in one direction its hard for me to stop mid thought (and flow) and go into another.

I thought I was taking your lead on this as you mentioned house, as there is the great fall of the house, that which is fallen etc (in contrast to) the rising which is directly connected to the sign, and elsewhere the tongue that rises up against thee. Now I see those connecting whereas you might not.

I'll give it a check online to refresh but that study is on my other puter (and all the things I see connecting to that).

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hey,You jumped from one topic to another on that thread and I know if Im going in one direction its hard for me to stop mid thought (and flow) and go into another.

I thought I was taking your lead on this as you mentioned house, as there is the great fall of the house, that which is fallen etc (in contrast to) the rising which is directly connected to the sign, and elsewhere the tongue that rises up against thee. Now I see those connecting whereas you might not.

Mea-culpa.
Actually I am trying to associate that "rising-again" with this "redemption" in Luke 21.

27`And then they/oyontai <3700> (5695) shall be seeing the Son of the Man, coming in a cloud, with power and glory, much.
28 Chief-ones?/arco-menwn <756> yet the-these/things/toutwn <5130> coming-to-pass, be-looking-up and lifting the heads of ye, because does-draw-nigh the redemtion/apolutrwsiV <629> of ye.

28 arcomenwn <756> (5734) {Chief-ones?} de <1161> {YET} toutwn <5130> {THESE THINGS} ginesqai <1096> (5738) {COME TO PASS} anakuyate <352> (5657) {LOOK UP} kai <2532> {AND} eparate <1869> {LIFT UP} (5657) taV <3588> {THE} kefalaV <2776> {HEADS} umwn <5216> {OF YOU} dioti <1360> {BECAUSE} eggizei <1448> (5719) {DOES DRAW NIGH} h <3588> {THE} apolutrwsiV <629> {REDEMTION} umwn <5216> {OF YE}

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Luke 2:34 Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Anymore views on that verse in Luke 2:34? Thanks.

Acts 26:23 In suffering, the Christ, in first/prwtoV <4413> out of-resurrection/anastasewV <386> of dead-ones, light is about to be announcing to a-people and to the nations.

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones/nekrwn <3498> not live until should be being finished the thousand years, this the resurrection/anastasiV <386>, the first/prwth <4413>

 

[Fireinfolding]

Anymore views on that verse in Luke 2:34? Thanks.

Acts 26:23 In suffering, the Christ, in first/prwtoV <4413> out of-resurrection/anastasewV <386> of dead-ones, light is about to be announcing to a-people and to the nations.

Reve 20:5 The rest of the dead-ones/nekrwn <3498> not live until should be being finished the thousand years, this the resurrection/anastasiV <386>, the first/prwth <4413>

Ok, I recall somewhat of my thinking on this, and word studies alone dont bring me there. Same thing can be shown in this as well Lamb, look at the words "light" that corresponds in both the rising here....


Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Ephes 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.


You have HIM, who IS The Resurrection, the POWER OF the OPERATION Of God (upon which our faith rests).

You have HIS Resurrection (the same) and whats called THE FIRST Resurrection which again I see as HIS who should BE FIRST that should rise from the dead (same word). Having PART with HIM (who is named the Resurrection). PART in THE Resurrection.

What is shown FINISHED and how does THAT pertain?

I cant find in word another comparable source though, still looking between what Im doing Lamb.

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Actually I am trying to associate that "rising-again" with this "redemption" in Luke 21.

27`And then they/oyontai <3700> (5695) shall be seeing the Son of the Man, coming in a cloud, with power and glory, much.
28 Chief-ones?/arco-menwn <756> yet the-these/things/toutwn <5130> coming-to-pass, be-looking-up and lifting the heads of ye, because does-draw-nigh the redemtion/apolutrwsiV <629> of ye.

Ok, I recall somewhat of my thinking on this, and word studies alone dont bring me there. Same thing can be shown in this as well Lamb, look at the words "light" that corresponds in both the rising here....


Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Ephes 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.


You have HIM, who IS The Resurrection, the POWER OF the OPERATION Of God (upon which our faith rests).

You have HIS Resurrection (the same) and whats called THE FIRST Resurrection which again I see as HIS who should BE FIRST that should rise from the dead (same word). Having PART with HIM (who is named the Resurrection). PART in THE Resurrection.

What is shown FINISHED and how does THAT pertain?

I cant find in word another comparable source though, still looking between what Im doing Lamb.

Peace

Fireinfolding

That form of the greek word in Luke 2 is used in many other places. The last time is in this "infamous" verse LOL and the reason the "resurrection" hadn't occured is because it is in conjunction with the Parousia of Christ. This interlinear helped me a bit with it.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Timothy 2:18 who concerning the truth did swerve, saying the rising-again/anastasin <386> to have already been, and do overthrow the faith of some;

Luke 2:34 Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Anymore discussion on that word "resurrection" in the NT and what it signifies? thanks.

 

[Fireinfolding]

That form of the greek word in Luke 2 is used in many other places. The last time is in this "infamous" verse LOL and the reason the "resurrection" hadn't occured is because it is in conjunction with the Parousia of Christ. This interlinear helped me a bit with it.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

2 Timothy 2:18 who concerning the truth did swerve, saying the rising-again/anastasin <386> to have already been, and do overthrow the faith of some;

Luke 2:34 Behold, this child is set for the falling and resurrection/rising-again/anastasin <386>of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Oh man Lamb, I cant use that link, or understand that word or follow this post at all

Count me out as I cant make heads or tails out of where to start, or what your looking at beyond specific words and Im having a hard time following here.

Ill stand back and read if this continues on, I must be missing the boat on just about everything you might be looking at, for and comparing it to

I'll be outside

Stage left

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[Thekla]

I don't know in this case, but consider there are 2 common uses for the word "flesh" (sarx) in the NT: body, flesh (we all have one) and old man, sinful ways, disobedience ... kinda.

 

[Mr Dave]

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