Luke 2:34 and "Resurrection" question

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't know in this case, but consider there are 2 common uses for the word "flesh" (sarx) in the NT: body, flesh (we all have one) and old man, sinful ways, disobedience ... kinda.

Ahhh, that is interesting sis!

Young) Revelation 19:21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him who is sitting on the horse, which [sword] is proceeding out of his mouth,
and all the birds were filled out of their flesh/sarkwn <4561>.

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Birds of a feather flock together

 

[heymikey80]

My contribution is more on the analytical side.

"raise up" is conventionally, simply getting up. When it's used for "the getting up of the dead", which is common in the New Testament, well yes it'll get translated "resurrection".

When it's not, then it'll be a conventional word for "getting up".

One possible reason why the Apostles used this conventional term: it refers to a physical "getting up". It's tougher to appeal to allegory, which was pervasive in the mystery religions. The Apostles were saying Jesus got up out of the grave, and that was grounds for expecting the Resurrection of people. They did not want to be confused with a mystery religion about some allegorical "ascended spirit" that doesn't have anything to do with this world any more. It was real. It was powerful. It was physical. They wanted no one to miss this Gospel.

BTW, one place uses "resurrection" which is not "getting up". It's used there in place of "regeneration" -- "the return to life".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My contribution is more on the analytical side.

"raise up" is conventionally, simply getting up. When it's used for "the getting up of the dead", which is common in the New Testament, well yes it'll get translated "resurrection".

When it's not, then it'll be a conventional word for "getting up".

One possible reason why the Apostles used this conventional term: it refers to a physical "getting up". It's tougher to appeal to allegory, which was pervasive in the mystery religions. The Apostles were saying Jesus got up out of the grave, and that was grounds for expecting the Resurrection of people. They did not want to be confused with a mystery religion about some allegorical "ascended spirit" that doesn't have anything to do with this world any more. It was real. It was powerful. It was physical. They wanted no one to miss this Gospel.

BTW, one place uses "resurrection" which is not "getting up". It's used there in place of "regeneration" -- "the return to life".

Thank you.
What one place is that if I may ask?

 

[heymikey80]

What one place is that if I may ask?

Matthew 19:28

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus What one place is that if I may ask?

Matthew 19:28

Ahhh......good verse! Thanks

Young) Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said to them "verily I say to ye, that ye who did follow Me, in the regeneration/paliggenesia <3824>, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of His glory, shall sit ye also upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel;
[Revelation 20:4]

Young) Titus 3:5 (not by works that [are] in righteousness that we did but according to His kindness,) He did save us, through a bathing of regeneration/paliggenesiaV <3824>, and a renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Strong's Number G3824 matches the Greek &#960;&#945;&#955;&#953;&#947;&#947;&#949;&#957;&#949;&#963;&#8055;&#945; (paliggenesia), which occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Young) Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God,

 

[LaSpino3]

LittleLamb, You wrote, "I was studying on the word used for "resurrection" in the NT.The Greek word is used 42 times, but I noticed the KJV lexicon it showed it only 39 times. My question is, what is different about the other times it is used in the NT and the one used in Luke 2:34?"

Phil replies, "So lets compare the two words. The following is from my web-site, www.seekfirstwisdom.com

Resurrection: 386. Greek anastasis. In N.T. A rising up, as opposed to, "fall." By metonymically, or putting one work for another, the author or cause of rising up, as a metaphor the author of a better state, of higher prosperity, of eternal happiness, Luke 2:34, "Behold, this (Christ,) is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel."

Author as in Heb.5:9, "The author of eternal salvation."

Rom.11:26, "So all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob = (the 12 tribes.)"

Compare to rise in,

1 Thes.4:16, "The dead in Christ shall rise first."

The word rise here is an intransitive verb, meaning a verb that expresses action, that is limited to the agent. In the perfect plu-per'fect, or the tense which denotes that an action or event took place previous to another past action or event, and aoris, or in Greek, an indefinite tense, which expresses an action as completed in past time." In the Middle term, or a syllogism meaning, one with which the two extremes are separately compared, and by means of which they are brought together in the conclusion.

To rise up, to arise, etc.

Past particle, expressing a completed action. So to rise from the dead, return to life, Matt.17:9, "The Son of man be risen again." Mark 9:9-10. Luke 16:31. John 20:9. Acts 17:3. So without, "From among the dead," Matt.20:19, "He shall rise again." Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:34. Luke 9:8-19, 18:33.

1 Thes.4:14, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

1 Thes.4:16, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." As a metaphor, Eph.5:14, "Arise from the dead," as arise from the death of sin, put on the new man in Christ.

Hope this helps.

Phil LaSpino

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLamb, You wrote,

"I was studying on the word used for "resurrection" in the NT.The Greek word is used 42 times, but I noticed the KJV lexicon it showed it only 39 times. My question is, what is different about the other times it is used in the NT and the one used in Luke 2:34?"

Phil replies, "So lets compare the two words.

Resurrection: 386. Greek ana-stasis. In N.T. A rising up, as opposed to, "fall." By metonymically, or putting one work for another, the author or cause of rising up, as a metaphor the author of a better state, of higher prosperity, of eternal happiness,

Luke 2:34, "Behold, this (Christ,) is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel

."

Compare to rise in,

1 Thes.4:16, "The dead in Christ shall rise first."

The word rise here is an intransitive verb, meaning a verb that expresses action, that is limited to the agent. In the perfect plu-per'fect, or the tense which denotes that an action or event took place previous to another past action or event, and aoris, or in Greek, an indefinite tense, which expresses an action as completed in past time."

Thank you.

There is another greek word used for "rising-up/resurrection:

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon :: G450
Strong's Number G450 matches the Greek &#7936;&#957;&#8055;&#963;&#964;&#951;&#956;&#953; (anist&#275;mi), which occurs 123 times in 111 verses in the Greek concordance

Mat 12:41
`Men of Nineveh shall be standing up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it,
For they reformed/repented at the proclamation of Jonah and behold! greater than Jonah here!

andreV nineuitai anasthsontai en th krisei meta thV geneaV tauthV kai katakrinousin authn
oti metenohsan eiV to khrugma iwna kai idou pleion iwna wde

1Th 4:16
because the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven
and the dead in Christ shall rise/standing up first,

oti autoV o kurioV en keleusmati en fwnh arcaggelou kai en salpiggi qeou katabhsetai ap ouranou
kai oi nekroi en cristw anasthsontai prwton



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