Loving the Sinner

[morningstar2651]

I'm a bit tired of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" arguments against homosexuality.

Now...I'm sure a few of you actually practice this belief -- if so, good job! If not -- please stop the lip service...this phrase is getting almost as annoying as Adam & Steve.

Do you really love the sinner?

Do you want homosexuals to move in next-door?

Do you want your children playing with the adopted children of a homosexual couple?

Do you want to work alongside a homosexual person?

Do you want to invite a homosexual person to eat dinner with your family?

How many of your friends are homosexual? Your close friends? Your best friends?

What would you think if a family member were gay?

After honestly answering these questions (you need not answer these publicly)...ask yourself again...am I loving the sinner?

 

[lijeb]

Those are excellent questions. I hope everyone will read them and answer them to themself.

 

[Amielia]

Two of my close friends are gay, i really dont care, it doesnt affect me which sex my friends are attracted to. I can honelstly say that I dont mind and it shouldnt bother other ppl *at least in my opinon*.

 

[Matt Never Existed]

Morningstar, how long have you been here on the forums? If its been a short time, what you'll come to understand is that 'lip service' is how this place works. People here who are so passionately against homosexuality, and voice it very loudly, are actually very passive and reserved in real life situations. This is just how people are. Here's why: In real life, they are forced to recognize that the 'gay' person is just that, another person, flesh and blood, soul and feelings. While on the other hand, here, they can say and spit their venom however they want, because in their mind, they can reason that they aren't talking to another human, just a 'gay' or however they want to think of us. Heck, there's one church that calls homosexuals "*** Beasts". Funny how people can stand to be under the same religious classification as those people, but not a living, breathing person who likes others of the same-sex.

 

[Corran]

I'm a bit tired of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" arguments against homosexuality.

Now...I'm sure a few of you actually practice this belief -- if so, good job! If not -- please stop the lip service...this phrase is getting almost as annoying as Adam & Steve.?

Umm what are you talking about. Being gay seems to be the in thing atm.

I personaly dont have anything agasint homosexuals as long as they dont want to adopt and raise a child.

 

[Krysia]

Umm what are you talking about. Being gay seems to be the in thing atm.

I personaly dont have anything agasint homosexuals as long as they dont want to adopt and raise a child.

Why would you be against any loving couple who wants to adopt and raise a child?

 

[Corran]

Because being raised by a Homosexual couple will result in trouble when the child goes to school. Its difficault enough for alot of ppl to get through junior-high school with out having the additional burder of having a gay couple.

 

[Krysia]

Because being raised by a Homosexual couple will result in trouble when the child goes to school. Its difficault enough for alot of ppl to get through junior-high school with out having the additional burder of having a gay couple.

So you are against interracial couples who have children, as well? Many children of interracial couples (specifically black & white) have reported difficulties, racial slurs from both sides, and having the "burden" of never quite fitting in with either group. Avoidance is not the answer, and only exacerbates the underlying issues.

 

[Corran]

Being a child of a interratial couple allows you to bond with other interatial kids as well black also allowing you into certain gangs etc. This alone will help you alot throw your school life.

 

[repentandbelieve]

I'm a bit tired of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" arguments against homosexuality.

Now...I'm sure a few of you actually practice this belief -- if so, good job! If not -- please stop the lip service...this phrase is getting almost as annoying as Adam & Steve.

Do you really love the sinner?

Do you want homosexuals to move in next-door?

Do you want your children playing with the adopted children of a homosexual couple?

Do you want to work alongside a homosexual person?

Do you want to invite a homosexual person to eat dinner with your family?

How many of your friends are homosexual? Your close friends? Your best friends?

What would you think if a family member were gay?

After honestly answering these questions (you need not answer these publicly)...ask yourself again...am I loving the sinner?

Yes I do.

 

[Krysia]

Being a child of a interratial couple allows you to bond with other interatial kids as well black also allowing you into certain gangs etc. This alone will help you alot throw your school life.

Being a child of a gay couple allows you to bond with other gay kids as well straight also allowing you into certain gangs etc. This alone will help you alot throw your school life.

 

[Corran]

Being a child or a gay couple allows you to bond with other gay kids as well straight also allowing you into certain gangs etc. This alone will help you alot throw your school life.

Oh im sorry i should not have assumed that you where familiar with the differances between typical black/interratial and gay families. My point being that they will most lickely be raised in completly differant backgrounds. Not to mention that that children growing up in a homosexual family will most of the time lack a father figure.

 

[Krysia]

Oh im sorry i should not have assumed that you where familiar with the differances between typical black/interratial and gay families.

No need to be sorry, I am familiar with the differences. I merely pointed out that one minority groups' burdens are as valid as the next, and neither should be discounted nor counted more burdensome than the other.

My point being that they will most lickely be raised in completly differant backgrounds.

Everyone is.

Not to mention that that children growing up in a homosexual family will most of the time lack a father figure.

1. You are assuming that all homosexual families consist of two lesbians.
2. I was raised by a single mother and turned out just fine, thanks.
3. There is much evidence, as stated in another post (need to find it) that there is absolutely NO difference in the psychological wellbeing/adjustment of the child in regards to heterosexual vs. homosexual familial upbringings.

 

[Matt Never Existed]

When was being gay the 'in' thing? Last I checked, it wasn't exactly a Fashion trend, its just that we're standing up for our rights now, and thus we get more media attention.

Also, children raised by same-sex couples are just as normal as those raised by heterosexual couples. I'll find the site I read the stats on that from. ~goes to search the internet for some obscure site~

 

[Krysia]

Also, children raised by same-sex couples are just as normal as those raised by heterosexual couples. I'll find the site I read the stats on that from. ~goes to search the internet for some obscure site~

Oh good, I was looking for those Please do post those when you find them

Bright Blessings,
Krysia

 

[Matt Never Existed]

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/339

Thats what I was looking for.. Now, if you can't trust the AAP on child adoption issues, who can you trust?

 

[Krysia]

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics%3b109/2/339

Thats what I was looking for.. Now, if you can't trust the AAP on child adoption issues, who can you trust?

The American Academy of Pediatrics recognizes that a considerable body of professional literature provides evidence that children with parents who are homosexual can have the same advantages and the same expectations for health, adjustment, and development as can children whose parents are heterosexual.

Exactly! Good find - thanks for the great post

 

[seebs]

Because being raised by a Homosexual couple will result in trouble when the child goes to school. Its difficault enough for alot of ppl to get through junior-high school with out having the additional burder of having a gay couple.

Last time I saw that argument on these boards, it was directed at interracial couples. We still see people on this very forum decrying "racial mixing" because they worry about acceptance at school.

The way I see it, I have two options in how I approach the question of children raised by families that some people will look down on.

I can talk about how the parents shouldn't have done that, and thus contribute to an atmosphere of hostility and contempt, and make it a self-fulfilling prophecy, or I can treat them like other parents, and let it be just another baseless worry.

I can't do much about how other people treat people, but how I'm called to treat them is clear.

You can read more about how people deal with interracial relationships on this blog, which collects news stories from a number of sources on this topic.

The problem of prejudice is not one we can best confront by telling people not to be members of groups there is prejudice against.

 

[sinner/SAVED]

I'm a bit tired of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" arguments against homosexuality.

Now...I'm sure a few of you actually practice this belief -- if so, good job! If not -- please stop the lip service...this phrase is getting almost as annoying as Adam & Steve.

Do you really love the sinner?

Do you want homosexuals to move in next-door?

Do you want your children playing with the adopted children of a homosexual couple?

Do you want to work alongside a homosexual person?

Do you want to invite a homosexual person to eat dinner with your family?

How many of your friends are homosexual? Your close friends? Your best friends?

What would you think if a family member were gay?

After honestly answering these questions (you need not answer these publicly)...ask yourself again...am I loving the sinner?

Yes, I am loving the sinners. All sinners.
My wife and I have two very close friends who are homosexual. (Not a couple. One is a guy, the other is a girl.) We love them both dearly.
IMO people who are judgemental are just as sinful as people who commit sexual sins. I love all sinners. I have enough sin of my own to be spending very much time worrying about the sins of others.
As for the rest of your questions, I really don't have a problem with any of them.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

I'm a bit tired of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" arguments against homosexuality.

Dito.

Do you really love the sinner?.

Kind of depends on the sinner I am afraid to admit.

Do you want homosexuals to move in next-door?

Do you want your children playing with the adopted children of a homosexual couple?

Do you want to work alongside a homosexual person?

I think want is the wrong term to use, I don’t want it any more than I want a heterosexual couple moving in next door, or a heterosexual work colleague. Do you see what I am getting at? I am happy either way, heterosexual or homosexual makes no odds to me.

Do you want to invite a homosexual person to eat dinner with your family?

Depends on the homosexual person, some yes, some no, same with heterosexuals.

How many of your friends are homosexual? Your close friends? Your best friends?

That I know of? About a dozen friends, about half a dozen close friends and I only count 1 person as “my best friend”, as it happens he is heterosexual, but I think a sample of 1 may be too small to draw a conclusion from.

What would you think if a family member were gay?

I am pretty certain one is, although he has not come out yet. What do I think? I think, I hope he does not suffer persecution and prejudice for it, or anything else.

Ghost