Love

[W2L]

I remember reading those verses a while ago, and just now did some research on it, real quick like. I'm sorry I was wrong, I admit it. I confused two seperate verses, and put them together on accident. That's what happens when I try to remember verses by heart, instead of fact checking first, I guess. It won't happen again. I read from the KJV Authorized so I couldn't find agape anywhere.

The word agape is the original greek word for love. You must read the greek to see it. Here is a good bible program you can use. Online Greek Interlinear Bible

 

[timothyu]

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/luk11.pdf

No agape

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[W2L]

Just to make sure, W2L, what version are you reading from, and is it an Authorized version?

I think our friend was having fun with you. Dont listen to him.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

I think our friend was having fun with you. Dont listen to him.

What is the point of King James assembling a whole lot of people who were the best in their field at the time, to make an accurate english translation, if we go back and read the greek and hebrew scriptures anyway. It was under holy annointing and authorized. That's like saying when paul wrote in greek the word Harpazzo means there's going to be a Rapture when if you read in context he was talking about how he was raptured in thought. Look, you're a cool guy and all, but if what your saying is true, it would mean that no english translation is worth your time, because you read from the greek and hebrew scriptures.

The people who King James got to do the job were the best in their field, if it is not in the english translation, with authorization, then it wasn't meant to be read that way.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

What is the point of King James assembling a whole lot of people who were the best in their field at the time, to make an accurate english translation, if we go back and read the greek and hebrew scriptures anyway. It was under holy annointing and authorized. That's like saying when paul wrote in greek the word Harpazzo means there's going to be a Rapture when if you read in context he was talking about how he was raptured in thought. Look, you're a cool guy and all, but if what your saying is true, it would mean that no english translation is worth your time, because you read from the greek and hebrew scriptures.

The people who King James got to do the job were the best in their field, if it is not in the english translation, with authorization, then it wasn't meant to be read that way.

And if you do read from the original scriptures, but do so without asking the Holy Spirit to give you God's understanding of it, it's pointless anyways.

 

[W2L]

What is the point of King James assembling a whole lot of people who were the best in their field at the time, to make an accurate english translation, if we go back and read the greek and hebrew scriptures anyway. It was under holy annointing and authorized. That's like saying when paul wrote in greek the word Harpazzo means there's going to be a Rapture when if you read in context he was talking about how he was raptured in thought. Look, you're a cool guy and all, but if what your saying is true, it would mean that no english translation is worth your time, because you read from the greek and hebrew scriptures.

The people who King James got to do the job were the best in their field, if it is not in the english translation, with authorization, then it wasn't meant to be read that way.

Sorry, you misunderstand. I prefer English and the english word love is all i need. This theology about agape love however, which i dont agree with, is built on the greek words for love.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

Sorry, you misunderstand. I prefer English and the english word love is all i need. This theology about agape love however, which i dont agree with, is built on the greek words for love.

So basically it all boils down to this:

Does the greek word for love apply to God, and if it does, does that mean that greek needs to be used to confirm it?

The answer is simple, you are making this way too complicated.

No, as a matter of fact, greek does not need to be used to confirm such theology. The Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, and God almighty, as well as the theology isn't confirmed by greek or english, it is confirmed through the effects it has. In the same way that you cannot see the wind, but you can feel it, you cannot see God physically, until you go to Heaven, but you can see how his power works by the hearts it changes.

The same principal applies here. The Holy Spirit needs to be the one to show you if that theology is correct or not. If you disagree, then disagree, and do your thing, but do not say that something is right or wrong unless God himself through the Holy Spirit confirms it. Pray and found out what the truth is from God. Then please tell me, I really want to know!

Even if the truth is something you cannot accept, it is better than the cost of a lie, so let's all pray, and find the truth, then go from there.

 

[W2L]

So basically it all boils down to this:

Does the greek word for love apply to God, and if it does, does that mean that greek needs to be used to confirm it?

The answer is simple, you are making this way too complicated.

No, as a matter of fact, greek does not need to be used to confirm such theology. The Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, and God almighty, as well as the theology isn't confirmed by greek or english, it is confirmed through the effects it has. In the same way that you cannot see the wind, but you can feel it, you cannot see God physically, until you go to Heaven, but you can see how his power works by the hearts it changes.

The same principal applies here. The Holy Spirit needs to be the one to show you if that theology is correct or not. If you disagree, then disagree, and do your thing, but do not say that something is right or wrong unless God himself through the Holy Spirit confirms it. Pray and found out what the truth is from God. Then please tell me, I really want to know!

Even if the truth is something you cannot accept, it is better than the cost of a lie, so let's all pray, and find the truth, then go from there.

Its a simple matter of understanding the intent of scripture by comparing scriptures.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

Its a simple matter of understanding the intent of scripture by comparing scriptures.

Yes, but even a simple matter such as that, if done without prayer or the Holy Spirit, can lead to satan clouding your mind with a lie that looks and tastes as sweet as honey. Or do you really think your answer is better than God's? All I 'm saying is pray first, and not just pray one time and go, "This is how it is." But pray without ceasing so we can all hear what God's opinion is. As I much as I love you brother, God should be first in everything, even a simple matter of comparing scriptures.

Unless of course for some random reason, you are afraid what God will say, will contradict what you believe.

All i'm asking you to do is seriously pray, as if your soul depended on it. Then post here the answer God gives you. I will do the same, and pray that The Holy Spirit reveals only the truth to me. Blessings and Peace be unto you! Love you, brother!

 

[timothyu]

God should be first in everything, even a simple matter of comparing scriptures.

The problem lies in preconceived notions, notr so much of what you've heard about Christianity, but about what the world has first taught you. It has the upper hand in having brainwashed you to think in it's ways long before you get a chance to study the opposite side. You go in having to either unbrainwash yourself or more often as is the case, see Christianity in a way that fits the mold of the world of man.