Lotar's Crazy Test

[Phoebe]

I'm in trouble.

Reformed was #1; Lutheranism #4

How did you answer 17 and 18?
Lotar has the questions posted in the Lutheran forums.

Is your Methodist husband rubbing off on you?

 

[SumTinWong]

Orthodoxy
Lutheranism
Reformed
Pietism - Moderate
Pietism - Fundamentalism
Roman Catholicism
Pietism - Liberal

Everytime I take these tests I wind up Orthodox, or Quaker. Never fails.

 

[ChiRho]

Amazingly, Lutheran was my number 1!

2.) Reformed
3.) Orthodoxy
4.) Pietism-Fundamentalism
5.) Pietism-Moderate
6.) Roman Catholocism
7.) Pietism-Liberal

Lotar, to make your selector different from others I've seen there, maybe you could add something about views on original sin.

Theo, are results are carbon copies!

and apparently that makes three with Rose!


Pax Christi,

ChiRho

 

[ChiRho]

Could you call it "Orthodoxy" unless you're trying to distinguish it from Oriental Orthodoxy? Frankly, I'd prefer the term "Christianity", but there's only so much I can realistically hope for.

While we are at it, why dont we just concede that Rome is the catholic Church?

With your last sentence, it appears as if you are asking us to concur with Eastern Orthodoxy as the orthodox belief, and in doing so, also claiming that Lutheranism is heterodox to some degree.

To this I will never agree! The Eastern Orthodox Church or Orthodox Church is "orthodox" only nominally. Your request, seeks to question the integrity and the validity of the Lutheran Confessions and all of the believing members of the Lutheran Church. To this I cannot and will not agree.

Please understand that this is not a question of your faith, but a confession of mine.

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

 

[Wilfred of Ivanhoe]

1. Reformed (Go figure)
2. Pietism - Fundamentalist
3. Pietism - moderate
4. Lutheren
5. Orthodoxy
6. Pietism - liberal
7. Roman Catholic

 

[Lotar]

While we are at it, why dont we just concede that Rome is the catholic Church?

With your last sentence, it appears as if you are asking us to concur with Eastern Orthodoxy as the orthodox belief, and in doing so, also claiming that Lutheranism is heterodox to some degree.

To this I will never agree! The Eastern Orthodox Church or Orthodox Church is "orthodox" only nominally. Your request, seeks to question the integrity and the validity of the Lutheran Confessions and all of the believing members of the Lutheran Church. To this I cannot and will not agree.

Please understand that this is not a question of your faith, but a confession of mine.

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

I conceeded him this point because there are a number of different forms of Orthodox, eastern only being the largest.

 

[gzt]

With your last sentence, it appears as if you are asking us to concur with Eastern Orthodoxy as the orthodox belief, and in doing so, also claiming that Lutheranism is heterodox to some degree.

Yeah, I was just kidding around with Lotar abou the "Christianity" bit, I hope I didn't offend you. As for calling it Orthodoxy, I didn't mean anything beyond naming. I'm quite content to call "Roman Catholicism" "Catholicism" because the term Roman isn't quite accurate - it's offensive to, ie, Maronites and the St. Thomas Christians in India. While "Eastern Orthodoxy" isn't offensive, it doesn't describe me, a Westerner who will always be a Westerner thinking like a Westerner in a Western world. If the name of Lutheranism were "The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church", I wouldn't mind calling it by that name, except that it's a bit long and cumbersome.
much love,
giziti

 

[ChiRho]

Yeah, I was just kidding around with Lotar abou the "Christianity" bit, I hope I didn't offend you. As for calling it Orthodoxy, I didn't mean anything beyond naming. I'm quite content to call "Roman Catholicism" "Catholicism" because the term Roman isn't quite accurate - it's offensive to, ie, Maronites and the St. Thomas Christians in India. While "Eastern Orthodoxy" isn't offensive, it doesn't describe me, a Westerner who will always be a Westerner thinking like a Westerner in a Western world. If the name of Lutheranism were "The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church", I wouldn't mind calling it by that name, except that it's a bit long and cumbersome.
much love,
giziti

may have read a bit too much into that...sorry. Sorry Lotar, didnt mean to imply anything. Just trying to do my job as Sir Lancelot. It is hot and our air conditioning at the gym is not working today...a little steamy in here to say the least!

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

 

[Lotar]

I think there is a curse on air conditioners this year. The one at work broke, the one at home is making noizes, and two of the restrants near my work have broken air conditioners.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

1) Fundamentalism

2) Moderate

3) Reformed

4) Orthodoxy

5) Romand Catholic

6) Lutheranism

7) Liberalism

I think it sounds right, but I am unsure of what they all mean

 

[ChiRho]

1) Fundamentalism

2) Moderate

3) Reformed

4) Orthodoxy

5) Romand Catholic

6) Lutheranism

7) Liberalism

I think it sounds right, but I am unsure of what they all mean

Classic Modern Evangelical Response!

(To be spoken with a Tony Kornheiser imitation on the word "classic!")

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

 

[Lotar]

I think it sounds right, but I am unsure of what they all mean

Perhaps the most apparent Pietist trait is a de-emphasis on doctrine and an emphasis on the personal pursuit of piety, a changed life, etc.
Question #3 is a prime example of pietist beliefs, "The Bible is unclear on many points of doctrine, so diversity is acceptable."

Liberalism is the logical end result of Pietism, especially when mixed with other ideas, such as rationalism. One of the defining beliefs is Question #7, "Since the Law is doctrine, and doctrine is not always clear, moral relativism is acceptable." Which is the perfectly logical end result of Question #3.

Fundamentalism is a Pietist reaction against Liberalism. It retains all the same traits as Liberalism, but adds in Question #5 "There are a core group of beliefs that are required in order to be saved." Therefore, allowing them to reject Question #7.

So, whenever there is a new thread entitled, "What are the essentials?" or similiar, you can immediately tell that the person is a Pietist, as it is a thoroughly Pietist process of theological thought.

Also, it may be added, Liberals often tell Fundamentalists that they have only been around for a little over a 100 years, while Fundamentalists retort that Christians have always believed things such as homosexuality being a sin, and it is the Liberals that are new. In a way, both are correct. Fundamentalism is new, and the moral issues contested by Liberals have always been held to be true. Fundamentalism is really just a way of freezing Pietism in the past.

Moderate is something that I arbitrarily put in, as some people do not fit into the polar ends. They may reject rationalism, unconsciously hold to certian "fundamentals," or just be what Liberal pietists were 100 years ago.

 

[PaladinValer]

To be honest, many of the questions are a bit loaded. You ask two questions often at once, thus creating a paradox.

 

[Lotar]

Classic Modern Evangelical Response!

(To be spoken with a Tony Kornheiser imitation on the word "classic!")

Pax Christi,

ChiRho

To tell you the truth, I did not expect that it would be possible for Liberal pietism and Fundamentalist pietism to be at opposite ends. I suppose he must have emphasized the distinguishing features.

I am pleased to see that Lutheranism came out to be the near polar opposite.

 

[Lotar]

To be honest, many of the questions are a bit loaded. You ask two questions often at once, thus creating a paradox.

Could you point these out for me? I would prefer to avoid that where possible.

I have all the questions listed in this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t725398

 

[Lotar]

BTW, I forgot to mention that Question #5 is why Fundamentalists are often accused of being influenced by or a new form of Gnosticism.

 

[theologia crucis]

Theo, are results are carbon copies!

and apparently that makes three with Rose!


Pax Christi,

ChiRho

I'm glad to see we are all in agreement!!!

 

[Fred Sherbet]

I got #1 Reformed, #2 Pietism - Fundamentalist.

Can i ask... errmm.. what do they mean?

Cheers, Fred

(I quite like th sound of fundamentalist )

 

[27D4]

Reformed
Orthodoxy
Pietism - Fundamentalism
Pietism - Liberal
Pietism - Moderate
Lutheranism
Roman Catholicism
Not sure how the liberal got in the middle...

 

[SPALATIN]

Hey Lotar,

My number one is Lutheranism Go figure.

IN order they were

Lutheranism
Orthodoxy
Reformed
Pietism-Fundamental
Pietism-Moderate
Roman Catholic
Pietism-Liberal