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LOSING a child - a common theme among several ministers
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Job 1:13-22
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Job Loses His Property and Children
13 Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house; 14 and a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys feeding beside them, 15 when the Sabeans[a] raided them and took them away—indeed they have killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
16 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants, and consumed them; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
17 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three bands, raided the camels and took them away, yes, and killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
18 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house, 19 and suddenly a great wind came from across[b] the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people, and they are dead; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
20 Then Job arose, tore his robe, and shaved his head; and he fell to the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said:
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
And naked shall I return there.
The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
Blessed be the name of the Lord.”
22 In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong.
New King James Version (NKJV)
Job Loses His Property and Children
13 Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house; 14 and a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys feeding beside them, 15 when the Sabeans[a] raided them and took them away—indeed they have killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
16 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants, and consumed them; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
17 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three bands, raided the camels and took them away, yes, and killed the servants with the edge of the sword; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
18 While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “Your sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house, 19 and suddenly a great wind came from across[b] the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people, and they are dead; and I alone have escaped to tell you!”
20 Then Job arose, tore his robe, and shaved his head; and he fell to the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said:
“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
And naked shall I return there.
The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
Blessed be the name of the Lord.”
22 In all this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong.
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PersephonesTear
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People lose their children all the time. People notice when it is a prominent person because that person is in the public eye. I don't think that well known men of God have a higher incident of this than what is normal throughout the population.
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mrhappy3 said:
When I notice the same trial streaming through Many different people I take note and wonder the same thing as you. Often it's prophetic and there's something to know that is from God.
I don't have any answers about this specifically; just wanted pipe in and say I approach things the same way as you do.
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Messy
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The devil comes to kill, steal and destroy.Loss of a child - so heartbreaking - has happened to several top ministers - I just wonder IF God is somehow in this...weird thought I know.
1 Kings 17
17 Now it happened after these things that the son of the woman who owned the house became sick. And his sickness was so serious that there was no breath left in him. 18 So she said to Elijah, “What have I to do with you, O man of God? Have you come to me to bring my sin to remembrance, and to kill my son?”
Maybe the answer is God isn't in this. God was in her situation, she invited Him into it.
I heard a good preaching about bad things that happen to us, sometimes it's the devil, sometimes it's just life and the effect of the fall.
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What's the question?
Are you wondering if God killed Job's kids?
I thought it was clear that it was the devil
who kills, and that it was the devil, in this
story, that stole from Job; not only his family,
but his possessions etc.
Remember at the end of the story how we see
our GOD's nature? God gave Job all that he'd lost
and much more.
I don't believe that it was God killing these minister's
children. I believe that we sometimes get distracted
and fail to 'watch' (pray AT ALL TIMES) because we
DO have an enemy of the faith, who roams around
as a roaring lion seeking who he may devour.
IOW, the way I understand it, is that the enemy will try
to kill steal and destroy, so we need to have the armor
on at all times, and stand and FIGHT for our very lives!
WHY fight for your life you might ask, since to be with
God is gain...
Because we have a mission here. God uses His "body"
(many membered body) to carry His light to the world,
to feed the hungry, to bring hope to the poor, to visit
the widows, to heal the sick...
And we do also "reap" from what we've 'sown".
(there's one person's opinion
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PersephonesTear
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You know the one thing that deeply, sincerely troubles me about Job's story?
In the end, he gets new everything - new house, new wealth, new employees, and new children.
It is very nice that God blessed him again, but the story seems to imply that his children were replaced by the new ones. This is just... terrible. I mean it is really, horrifyingly heart-breaking. One child cannot replace another. The children Job lost were precious, irreplaceable, and also innocent bystanders.
I just... sigh. I know this story is supposed to be that of a happy ending, but I don't for one minute believe that the pain of losing their first set of children was healed for Job or his wife by getting all new ones - even though I am sure they loved the new ones every bit as much for their own sakes. People are not replaceable. One's children are not replaceable.
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I always heard Job was afraid. He was afraid that his children would sin, so every time they had a feast he did an offering for them in case they sinned. Just as love is an arm, fear is an arm with which you reach not to God, but in the world of the enemy. And that that was the reason there was an entrance for satan. Perfect love drives out all fear. He didn't know God (later he says: Now I've seen You), so he couldn't love Him with all his heart.
Maybe the reason you see this with pastors is that the devil attacks them more and: new levels, new devils.
You also see a lot of divorces with pastors. Is God in it? No, I wish He was in it, then we wouldn't have divorces.
Maybe the reason you see this with pastors is that the devil attacks them more and: new levels, new devils.
You also see a lot of divorces with pastors. Is God in it? No, I wish He was in it, then we wouldn't have divorces.
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I know! I totally relate to what you're saying.
Maybe if we consider the bigger picture.
Because of how we think of time,... and it's
so different from how we'll view it once
we've left this body?
eternity.. Job will have ALL of His kids
for eternity.
Maybe that's one way to kind of look at it.
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That's a good one. I had two 'replaced'. Twice I had a miscarriage and if I hadn't had it, I couldn't have had the other two. Death is just in the world after the fall and I'm happy I've got five kids now and only have to care and pay for three. I mean, five in 4 years, I'm glad I've got some angels that assist me. It was terrible of course, but this is the way I cope with things.
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Some of us not-so prominent lose children as well. The 'prominent' are not special in any way, good or bad.
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