Look what I found:

AV1611VET said:

-- You mean to tell me that passage is saying something can be unmovable and working at the same time?

Isn't work: force times distance?

So can the earth be "unmovable", yet orbiting the sun (distance) at the same time?

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Are you really asking if something can be unmoveable and yet move?

AV1611VET said:

Indeed, I am.

I am unmovable in my position on the KJV, yet my fingers moved to type this.

Weird, eh?

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Not really.

AV1611VET said:

Actually, He cannot, but the point is that until every cubic centimeter of this universe is observed simultaneously, then, and only then, would scientists have [somewhat of] a valid claim to God's non-existence.

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Individuals, for whatever reason may claim that God does not exist. However, if you can cite any peer review physical science research that make any such claims, I would very much like to see them, because I don't know of any.

But if you want to know why scientists get angry at "creationists", it is because creationists are constantly saying things about scientists and science that just are not true. For example, your statement implies that the scientific community is working to disprove God. The reality is, nothing could be further from the truth.

AV1611VET said:

Scientists, as far as I know, won't accept the information we give them for peer reviewing (e.g., Genesis 1); so please don't tell ask me for a peer review, when scientists won't peer review.

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Except we do review it, and it fails. At which point you stomp your foot and /thread out.

AV1611VET said:

Feel free to read my post again and highlight anything I said that you personally disagree with; I won't even ask you to explain why you disagree.

And you can can that 'cite peer review' argument.

Scientists, as far as I know, won't accept the information we give them for peer reviewing (e.g., Genesis 1); so please don't tell ask me for a peer review, when scientists won't peer review.

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See, there you go again. What part of there is no "physical science peer review research" that says God does not exist, do you not understand.

You are more than welcome to submit a copy of Genesis 1 or even the entire Christian bible if you like, to any physical science journal. Will it be peer reviewed? No, because it does not deal with science.

But you've said that the Bible is the inerrant WORD of God. By examining it I can learn all I need to know about God. Well, then the god of the Bible does not exist.

For instance. Something cannot both be seen and not be seen. That's a contradiction. Yet:

God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Exodus 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Exodus 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Genesis 32:30)

Then, God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Exodus 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Timothy 6:16)

Or, God does NOT change:
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
1 Samuel 15:29
And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

But then, God DOES change:
Jonah 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Genesis 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

I'm sorry... this "being" cannot exist. It is a contradiction. I know, I know... you guys have apologized your way out of it. Ok... that's great for you. But if you LITERALLY read the book and LITERALLY expect it to be true then god LITERALLY cannot exist.

That, or by your logic, since we haven't looked in every possible nook and cranny Thor also cannot be said to not exist. Allah cannot be said to not exist. Every god that has ever been worshiped from the beginning of time until now cannot be said to not exist. They all have just as strong a claim to existence as your deity.

Dude, you don't believe in about a million gods. I don't believe in a million and one. Really, you want to argue about .000001%?

TerranceL said:

The simple fact is without any evidence of a god there is zero reason to believe in one.

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The reason to believe has more to do with eternal life then this temporal life. Perhaps your content with a life that goes no where and ends up with nothing. When we cash in at the end of our temporal life some of us want to have gained something eternal out of the life we lived.

Split Rock said:

Now show me how the Context of the following lines from scripture show they do not reference an unmoving earth. If you have a case, you will convince me:

1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."
Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."
Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken."
Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."

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Actually if you really want to know you can look this up in the Matthew Henry commentary. If your are interesting in knowing. If you want to understand what David is telling us. Or you can do like you did. Find someone that loves God and is interested in looking up the meaning of those passages.

In this case David is talking about what can not be moved. He is talking about the Kingdom of God and David is telling us about the future Reign of Christ. Remember at Christmas we talk about the passage in Isaiah where the: "Government will rest on His Shoulders". This talks about the 1000 year Reign of Christ that as Christians we all look forward to.

Do you want to go into this some more about what can not be moved and is fixed? This actually is something I talk about quite a bit on here. Like everything else a whole book could easily be written about this.

If you were to go to a church and ask questions about things like that and they were not able to answer your questions then maybe you need to find someone that really loves God to come up with answers for you. Or like I said you can look something like this up in Matthew Henry. For the OT. He died before he could do the NT so I would avoid his commentary for that.

AV1611VET said:

I'll bet you do.

Did you read the OP?

You can [and have] reviewed every cubic centimeter of this universe simultaneously?

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What does the OP have to do with anything?

You were referring to Genesis 1, which is what was I responding to. Are you making so many posts you can't keep up with what you said from one minute to the next?

TerranceL said:

In no way is it a gift, gifts are given freely. This is something you have to do something to get. Thus it is a reward.

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There is nothing you have to do to receive salvation. Jesus died for everyone already. Therefore, salvation is a gift.

Those who reject the freely given gift, go to Hell.

Those that accept the freely given gift, go to Heaven.

Pretty simple.

Thusia Zao said:

There is nothing you have to do to receive salvation. Jesus died for everyone already. Therefore, salvation is a gift.

Those who reject the freely given gift, go to Hell.

Those that accept the freely given gift, go to Heaven.

Pretty simple.

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Well sweet! I accept! Good, now if there really is a God I'm covered.

Cool I'll accept the gift. But wont believe any of it.

Kinda like how if a person were to tell me they want to give me a billion dollars in a week, I'll accept but I wont believe I'm getting the billion dollars and start buying a new car and house.

Nice easy way out of pascals wagger i guess xD (Ya know, if pascals wagger wasnt entirely pathetic already.)