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Surveys of the sky over the last decade have revealed that the composition of the Universe is largely unknown to us.
Actually, Corvus, I made this thread some time ago, but I made it in General Apologetics, and now I don't have access to it.
So I hunted up the link that's in the OP and made this thread again, so I can qv people to it whenever I want to make the point that they have no right to say Heaven, or God, or Jesus, or angels, or even the Flood doesn't exist because they haven't seen evidence for them.
Until they can see every cubic centimeter of this universe, and see it simultaneously, they have no right to say God doesn't exist.
Actually, He cannot, but the point is that until every cubic centimeter of this universe is observed simultaneously, then, and only then, would scientists have [somewhat of] a valid claim to God's non-existence.Why? Can God be "seen?"
Actually, He cannot, but the point is that until every cubic centimeter of this universe is observed simultaneously, then, and only then, would scientists have [somewhat of] a valid claim to God's non-existence.
(It would still be a weak claim though because, as you pointed out, God cannot be found through scientific instrumentation.)
Picture someone saying: I don't believe angels exist.So I guess if God cannot be found by instrumentation why bother to post this analogy in the first place?
Picture someone saying: I don't believe angels exist.
Now picture me replying: Now that's quite a statement in view of this --- 1 .
The alternative ("keep looking") is worse ---I would reply - how is there any connection between the two? Are there angels empirically floating about in dark energy clusters somewhere?
If you're going for the point of believing in the effects of God/angels validating their sources in the same way that believing in the effects of dark matter/energy validates their sources, I could begin to see somewhat of a connection - although given that the presence and effects of God/angels isn't reproducible or predictable, I wouldn't call it that strong a connection.
Contrariwise, you have no right to say that your deity does exist (based upon your own statements).Until they can see every cubic centimeter of this universe, and see it simultaneously, they have no right to say God doesn't exist.
...Why wouldn't you ALWAYS be looking? Ignorance isn't bliss just because the Matrix said it was.The alternative ("keep looking") is worse ---
I don't --- I say He exists based on His own statements.Contrariwise, you have no right to say that your deity does exist (based upon your own statements).
Hebrews 11:6b said:... for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
That was more or less a private joke, Truthiness --- in the three years I've been here, I've ran "keep looking" into the ground....Why wouldn't you ALWAYS be looking?
Okie doke, I can only read so much post history while lurking. My bad.That was more or less a private joke, Truthiness --- in the three years I've been here, I've ran "keep looking" into the ground.
No problem, my friend ---Okie doke, I can only read so much post history while lurking. My bad.
Picture someone saying: I don't believe angels exist.
Now picture me replying: Now that's quite a statement in view of this --- 1 .
Either that, or you can believe in them because God documented them --- it's your call.So because we don't know everything, and there's therefore a theoretical possibility that angels exist, we should believe in them?
Fair enough --- don't go to the doctor if you think you have a problem, he just may generate some evidence on paper that something is there --- and you might accidentally see it.Personally I will and can not believe that my car will blow up or that angels exist until I see evidence that would support such a belief.
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