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yes but not all words that appear in a thesaurus as an alternative for a word have the exact same meaning. Lets use the word play as an example. First word that came into my head. Are you really claiming that saying I'm going to go comedy in the park means the same as I'm going to go play in the park?Consult any thesaurus. Alongside "condemn" you will find "critique" and "criticize".
So, even when you try to justify PW's argument semantically.......you fail.
yes but not all words that appear in a thesaurus as an alternative for a word have the exact same meaning. Lets use the word play as an example. First word that came into my head. Are you really claiming that saying I'm going to go comedy in the park means the same as I'm going to go play in the park?
yes but not all words that appear in a thesaurus as an alternative for a word have the exact same meaning. Lets use the word play as an example. First word that came into my head. Are you really claiming that saying I'm going to go comedy in the park means the same as I'm going to go play in the park?
crit-i-cize
[krit-uh-sahyz]
verb (used with object), criticized,
criticizing.
1. to censure or find fault with
fair point. As I said it was the first word that came into my mind and I wanted to use a word not related to the discussion.That's because play is both a noun and a verb. That's a unique example that is not equivelant.
Look! There's that word censure again. Sounds like it'd be close to a synonym, right?
Honestly, you can tell an argument is going badly when people want to gear down to a discussion about which word is more appropriate to describe the blatant racial stereotyping that the OP presents!
People seem to forget that the OP is only relaying a news item from what a black Sheriff David Clarke has said. I dont see to many people disagreeing with him or making a big scene about what he has said. Is that because he is black and in a position to know and speak about this. From what I have seen in checking out the reactions to the Sheriffs statemnet it seems to be fairly positive. One comment sort of puts things into perspective for me.
"He has the courage to say what only a black man could get away with saying - "
Maybe some are trying to make it into some racial thing more than it should be when some are only trying to highlight a point about the issues that black people face. At least the issues are being discussed and people are thinking about Black lives and how they matter.
He did not say that because he had "courage". He said that to keep the media from focusing on the Police department and to focus on the protesters. His argument does not even make sense. Just because he is Black doesn't mean that his critique is correct, he is assuming that all the black protesters are pro-abortion and pro black on black violence. That Logic is stupid. You think an African American mother who lost her son to violence is thinking well at least the person that killed him was black so I don't have to protest. That logic is crazy. This is not an attack on you, I just want people to recognize what this sheriff doing. Just because he is black doesn't mean that he is incapable of making outlandish, absurd statements about black people.
People seem to forget that the OP is only relaying a news item from what a black Sheriff David Clarke has said. I dont see to many people disagreeing with him or making a big scene about what he has said. Is that because he is black and in a position to know and speak about this.
From what I have seen in checking out the reactions to the Sheriffs statemnet it seems to be fairly positive. One comment sort of puts things into perspective for me.
"He has the courage to say what only a black man could get away with saying - "
Maybe some are trying to make it into some racial thing more than it should be when some are only trying to highlight a point about the issues that black people face. At least the issues are being discussed and people are thinking about Black lives and how they matter.
In addition, just because the sheriff is black does not make what he said racist. It's the same logic being used by revisionists when they try to prop up black slave owners or blacks that support segregation. "A single black voice means it's not racist!" They claim this despite the fact that the policies and ideas target black people.He did not say that because he had "courage". He said that to keep the media from focusing on the Police department and to focus on the protesters. His argument does not even make sense. Just because he is Black doesn't mean that his critique is correct, he is assuming that all the black protesters are pro-abortion and pro black on black violence. That Logic is stupid. You think an African American mother who lost her son to violence is thinking well at least the person that killed him was black so I don't have to protest. That logic is crazy. This is not an attack on you, I just want people to recognize what this sheriff doing. Just because he is black doesn't mean that he is incapable of making outlandish, absurd statements about black people.
I guess his logic was based on some stats and he knew those from working with the law. Even being pro choice abortions still matter. There are to many abortions whether its pro choice or not. Maybe he did have a vested interest to divert attention away from his police colleagues. But maybe he did so because he was standing up for them as well. Maybe he felt it unfair that the police were getting all the stick from his own people and he wanted to throw something back at them to put things into perspective. Like if you want to be so concerned about black lives then be consistent. He may have over stepped the mark but I guess he reacted to all the accusations that were being made and some were possibly unfounded. I am not over there so I dont hear all the small talk and nor have I followed this so I dont really know all the details. All I know is it can get personal and feelings can make people say things perhaps they shouldn't have. But I did a bit of searching for reactions and it seemed to be fairly positive towards Sheriff David Clarke.He did not say that because he had "courage". He said that to keep the media from focusing on the Police department and to focus on the protesters. His argument does not even make sense. Just because he is Black doesn't mean that his critique is correct, he is assuming that all the black protesters are pro-abortion and pro black on black violence. That Logic is stupid. You think an African American mother who lost her son to violence is thinking well at least the person that killed him was black so I don't have to protest. That logic is crazy. This is not an attack on you, I just want people to recognize what this sheriff doing. Just because he is black doesn't mean that he is incapable of making outlandish, absurd statements about black people.
I would imagine he is getting involved because 1) he is black and its about black people being treated badly with black people protesting. 2) He is a cop and the protest are against cops. I think he has much more reason to get involved than a white mail man. That doesn't mean that the mail has a right to make his view known. But the sheriff does have some things in common and probably understands the issues more than most. I dont think he is being unfair, I actually think he is making a valid point. Its probably not the right timing as this is a very emotive issue.Do you think it makes a difference whether or not he is black? What special position is he in that Mark the white Mailman isn't able to make the same comment?
I'm not sure, I just goggled the story and went into some news links and checked out the comments.On an anti-abortion news page? Of course it's all positive.
No its says its probably something that was needed to be said but nobody did because its a sensitive subject. To me there's no racism, but its the timing. Maybe it was the right time as it is related to what had happened. At least people are thinking now about the subject as a whole.This says "We wanted to say it, but it would have been racist. Now that a black man has said, it's not racist anymore."
You are probably right. It can become polictical. But sometimes if you want to raise an issue you have to do it that way or take advantage of the situation. I think the sheriff just felt he needed to speak up. He was probably connected to the issue more than most being a policeman and a black man. He seems like a speaker for the community. If he is a cop then he is already being a community worker in a sense. He probably sees a lot of stuff on the beat and has to deal with it. So I guess he would know more than most. Maybe he did let his personal beliefs come into it. But I think hes intentions are good.I think people are trying to attack one political issue with another.
Well said.
The OP was obviously using that comment of the sheriff as a vehicle to voice her own racial stereotyping. This was confirmed by her own subsequent comments. It is beyond pathetic that others are now bending over backwards in order to either deflect from the core of her message, or trying to suggest that she was actually saying something else.
Not one word of apology from any of these people, not one word of contrition, not one word of correction. Says something, doesn't it?
In addition, just because the sheriff is black does not make what he said racist. It's the same logic being used by revisionists when they try to prop up black slave owners or blacks that support segregation. "A single black voice means it's not racist!" They claim this despite the fact that the policies and ideas target black people.
More importantly systemic/institutional racism can affect a larger population and can still have agents of that population. That's why police brutality towards young black men is a problem, regardless of the cop being white or black. Community policing is the answer, and the cops don't need to be black to do community policing.
I guess his logic was based on some stats and he knew those from working with the law. Even being pro choice abortions still matter. There are to many abortions whether its pro choice or not. Maybe he did have a vested interest to divert attention away from his police colleagues. But maybe he did so because he was standing up for them as well. Maybe he felt it unfair that the police were getting all the stick from his own people and he wanted to throw something back at them to put things into perspective. Like if you want to be so concerned about black lives then be consistent. He may have over stepped the mark but I guess he reacted to all the accusations that were being made and some were possibly unfounded. I am not over there so I dont hear all the small talk and nor have I followed this so I dont really know all the details. All I know is it can get personal and feelings can make people say things perhaps they shouldn't have. But I did a bit of searching for reactions and it seemed to be fairly positive towards Sheriff David Clarke.
Certain people are conveniently forgetting that this thread was NOT started by that sheriff. It was started by someone here with a particular agenda. That agenda is fairly obvious from post #3 onwards. It's an agenda that attempts to paint a particular picture about a particular racial group, employing accusations that are not borne out by any evidence.
But, nice try by those who'd like to deflect it to something else.
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