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It doesn't matter if they protest the abortion clinics or not. The Sheriff's point is valid.
The obvious answer to your question is we don't see the cops all over the place at abortion clinics in black neighborhoods. That is how we know there aren't protests there.
You didn't even read my question!
How do you know that black people don't do like Preachers Wife and find "other ways" to protest about abortion? That's her explanation for not being seen outside abortion clinics - why can it not hold for others as well?
and your claim is not supported by the article. As I said and you have chosen to ignore for some reason one example does not make it true. If you were honest you would admit that in the reverse situation you would not accept one example as evidence.Except for the fact that the claim I made was supported by evidence. Didn't you bother to read the link I included before claiming that I was making stuff up?
There is no other means of protest than to protest. 'Other ways', are not protest. They are whatever those ways are called.
What?? Look, follow the bouncing ball -
1. The OP attempts to make the case that black protestors at the 'black lives matter' protests are hypocrites because they don't also protest at abortion clinics.
2. When challenged over her position, she reveals that she doesn't protest by turning up at abortion clinics either - she says that she has "other ways" of voicing her protest over abortions.
3. I make the point that, if it's good enough for her to use the explanation that she has "other ways" of protesting abortions, why isn't it just as valid an excuse to explain why those black protestors don't turn up at abortion clinics too?
Not too hard to follow?
Do you genuinely believe that these "black protestors" are also protesting abortion at other times? Or are you just being awkward?
The Black community would have even more problems right now if abortion were illegal. It's one way for black women to take control over their lives after they've received inadequate sex education in their failing schools, been unable to obtain birth control, been raped, etc.
The Black community would have even more problems right now if abortion were illegal. It's one way for black women to take control over their lives after they've received inadequate sex education in their failing schools, been unable to obtain birth control, been raped, etc.
But yes, it is definitely a problem that black women, at a higher rate than members of any other race in the US, find themselves having to make this choice. Spoiler alert: protesting at abortion clinics isn't going to help fix the actual problems or help decrease the demand for abortion among black women.
I work to make abortions an unneeded procedure. I am not interested in making abortions illegal, because that doesn't change anything. There has to be a mindset change.
Speaking up against it CAN help, though. Too often the quip is "her body, her choice" and not "what can we do to help these people get out of the situation they're in".
I would think that would be more effective than protests. Prevention would be the best option, so after the fact decisions don't need to be made. I often take walks in the city and every couple of weeks there are religious protesters outside the Planned Parenthood and handing out flyers.
They always freak me out and I try to avoid them.
How would you accomplish that?
Next...as I said above, I got caught by some protestors using PP. I was called a baby murderer, even though I wasn't going in for anything near an abortion. We need to change the mindset of the people that judge women who get pregnant out of wedlock. Yes, it's a sin. Yes, it's wrong. But turning our back on them because it happens is even more wrong. So, because they are ashamed to admit what has happened, they go abort the baby. This is probably the biggest hurdle to overcome.
That's wonderful.I work to make abortions an unneeded procedure.
I agree. That's very important. I can understand speaking out against it in the form of making sure that women have access to all options and don't feel like they have no other viable options, but that's still pro-choice. We don't want the default sentiment to be "Well, she could get an abortion, so there's no problem" when that might not be what she wants. I don't personally see a need to speak out against abortion itself, though. Even if there were no societal causes of abortion, such as sexual assault and inadequate education, there would still be careless women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and other random cases where a woman decides she doesn't want to be pregnant after the fact. Really, anything that doesn't involve criminalization, coercion, or misinformation is pro-choice.Speaking up against it CAN help, though. Too often the quip is "her body, her choice" and not "what can we do to help these people get out of the situation they're in".
Looks like it. What was it about again? Condemning black people because they don't stand outside Planned Parenthood calling people baby murderers and such?
That's wonderful.I don't see how protesting outside of clinics is part of that, though. Not saying that you do this, but you seem to be supporting it.
I agree. That's very important. I can understand speaking out against it in the form of making sure that women have access to all options and don't feel like they have no other viable options, but that's still pro-choice. We don't want the default sentiment to be "Well, she could get an abortion, so there's no problem" when that might not be what she wants. I don't personally see a need to speak out against abortion itself, though. Even if there were no societal causes of abortion, such as sexual assault and inadequate education, there would still be careless women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and other random cases where a woman decides she doesn't want to be pregnant after the fact. Really, anything that doesn't involve criminalization, coercion, or misinformation is pro-choice.
It is more than a bit condemning of the black women who have chosen abortion, since it likens their choice to the injustices that have led to this movement. It's rather like saying "You can't complain about your son getting shot by a gang or a cop if you've had an abortion or even support a woman's right to it."I believe that leaving out abortion (and black on black crime) when using a hashtag that states that blacklivesmatter is hypocritical. That is the summation of my argument. I don't think that's condemning anyone.
Ah, got it. Didn't catch the distinction.I said they should be protesting abortion clinics. I didn't say they should be out in front of them protesting and calling the women using them names.
We just need to invent artificial womb technology so a fetus can grow to maturity in a tank and then be adopted.
Hmmm...I don't recall seeing any condemnation. Could you point me to it?
I believe that leaving out abortion (and black on black crime) when using a hashtag that states that blacklivesmatter is hypocritical. That is the summation of my argument. I don't think that's condemning anyone.
I said they should be protesting abortion clinics. I didn't say they should be out in front of them protesting and calling the women using them names.
I can see where people couldn't separate that, though.
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