Look at what this sheriff had to say...

Euler · Jan 8, 2015

humbleServant77 said:
The stats for both part: being shot? I've seen that idea challenged. Pulled over, arrested and/or imprisoned, I would certainly hope we have stats that clearly create a paper trail for this outrage. If you have actual stats that show a black person is more likely to be shot by a cop, I'd love to see it.

Even more I'd love to see it in terms of unjust shooting, but we really don't keep figures like that in this Country. (We seem to enjoy a dearth of gun-related info)

Sure.

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/racialbias.pdf

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

TheDag · Jan 8, 2015

Euler said:
Errr, no. I pointed out the flaw in her logic from the outset. In her zeal to stereotype black people as hypocrites, she made a faulty assumption, which you appear to recognize.

And, you decided to name yourself after 'a small ball of faeces and hair'??

Okaaaaaay................

You pointed out one flaw in her argument which however makes no difference to proving if her comments are racist. Sorry but your still wrong about the racial motivation.

I have very little faith in your ability to understand anything with the last comment. Despite my clear indication that it came from elsewhere but you have failed to grasp that simple concept.

Euler said:
Ummm......please go to your preferred dictionary.

ok then how about

thefreedictionary said:
dag (dæ&#609 n
1. a character; eccentric
2. a person who is untidily dressed
3. a person with a good sense of humour

It is not unusual to for words to have more than one meaning.

Euler said:
You will find that a "dag" is pretty much defined as I posted. I simply wanted to know why he would describe himself as such.

Yet after it having been explained that it has nothing to do with sheep yet you still claimed I have chosen to be named after that. Sorry that is just plain ol dishonesty.

Euler · Jan 8, 2015

Ok, I'm not familiar with terms of endearment that encompass eccentricity and crappy sheeps wool?? However, I accept your explanation, as weird as it seems.

Now, you are claiming that there wasn't a racial profile going on here?

TheDag · Jan 8, 2015

Euler said:
Ok, I'm not familiar with terms of endearment that encompass eccentricity and crappy sheeps wool?? However, I accept your explanation, as weird as it seems.

Now, you are claiming that there wasn't a racial profile going on here?

That claim can not be supported by the evidence on display.

If you say you were only claiming Preachers wife was racial profiling then I reckon you have made a very poor choice of words. It certainly seems more like you were calling her racist. It isn't just preachers wife and I who see it that way either. Since I don't agree with the OP yet I can see that I reckon I'm probably not biased. Actually Preachers wife and I have often not seen eye to eye to the degree that I decided to stop frequenting one of the sub-forums to avoid arguments! I don't even agree with her view on abortion as I follow the traditional christian view that has been around since time began as opposed to just new testament times and that is the life begins with the first breath. So absolutely the flaw in her argument is that it assumes all people agree with her view on abortion.

As for the protesting using other methods I think the jury is still out on that. See if a person generally protests by going to marches and things like that then it does seem reasonable that they would do the same for abortion if they felt abortion was wrong. If a person uses other methods of protest then if they consistantly use the same method I can not fault them for that. Of course I haven't really given it much thought. I don't go to protest marches since the last one I attended. I left before it started. It was a legalise gay marriage march and I had no desire to be part of the bigotry and hatred that was on display. I would rather interact with politicians and challenge them in the hopes they would see things similar to me and start speaking like that in the party gatherings to try and influence others. Of course I have had access to political leaders who have had more control and influence in the party so it seems more effective

Euler · Jan 8, 2015

TheDag said:
That claim can not be supported by the evidence on display.

Really??

She opens a thread that deals solely with black protestors as its focus (you do realize that many white people have also taken part in those marches?). She chooses to solely focus on abortions by black women (you do realize that many white women have abortions too?). She then sets up an argument that says solely that it is the black people who are hypocrites, because they fail to protest at abortion clinics (a claim that she can't possibly know). The cherry on top is that, because she is so determined to blacken (pun intended) the character of those people, as a group, she fails to see that she has contravened her own argument, by describing how she herself doesn't protest at clinics, because she has "other ways" of expressing her opposition. But apparently that isn't an option she grants the people she is vilifying!

Not enough evidence? You sure about that?

KCfromNC · Jan 8, 2015

PreachersWife2004 said:
it's convenient that black lives only matter when they're being shot by cops.

Who is saying that, specifically?

White men getting killed by police don't get near the press that a black man getting killed by police does. It might generate a headline or two, and then <nothing>.

When white people get killed by police laws get changed, e.g. : In Wisconsin, A Decade-Old Police Shooting Leads To New Law : NPR. When black people try to bring up the issue, they get called hypocrites. Interesting what happens when you look at reality rather than made-up hypotheticals, no?

Euler · Jan 8, 2015

KCfromNC said:
Who is saying that, specifically?

When white people get killed by police laws get changed, e.g. : In Wisconsin, A Decade-Old Police Shooting Leads To New Law : NPR. When black people try to bring up the issue, they get called hypocrites. Interesting what happens when you look at reality rather than made-up hypotheticals, no?

Good points.

The other thing that gets me when I see threads like this is - where's the compassion?

It's pretty universally accepted that, regardless of race, the people most likely to be affected by both police intervention AND the need to employ abortion services are the poor.

Isn't it just a little bit sad that, here on a site that is supposed to promote 'Christian values', we see very little of the "blessed are the poor" ethic being put into practice. Instead, the hatred and fear and vitriol flow like water.

PreachersWife2004 · Jan 9, 2015

Guess the black people are racist too...

Nice to see them taking a stand.

http://conservativetribune.com/against-blacklivesmatter-rioters-1/

KCfromNC · Jan 9, 2015

What's your point? Finding a right-wing blogger making the same errors in logic as oneself doesn't make those errors disappear.

PreachersWife2004 · Jan 9, 2015

KCfromNC said:
What's your point? Finding a right-wing blogger making the same errors in logic as oneself doesn't make those errors disappear.

Pay attention to who is holding up the sign in the picture.

THAT is the key part here. Someone asked earlier who is saying that black lives only matter when it's cops who kill them - this is yet more proof that even blacks think this is the case amongst their own people.

Then again, I've seen how people treat black people when they speak out against their own. I've seen it in the media, I've seen it in my own family.

The words Uncle Tom come to mind.

Euler · Jan 9, 2015

Yep, no racial stereotyping here - move along.

TheDag · Jan 9, 2015

KCfromNC said:
Who is saying that, specifically?

When white people get killed by police laws get changed, e.g. : In Wisconsin, A Decade-Old Police Shooting Leads To New Law : NPR. When black people try to bring up the issue, they get called hypocrites. Interesting what happens when you look at reality rather than made-up hypotheticals, no?

Lets be honest if this was the other way around you would not accept one example as evidence of the claim. Of course it isn't hard to find stories about white people being killed and no law being changed. Yet apparently preachers wife is guilty of racial profiling while Euler stays quiet on your racial profiling!

lisah · Jan 9, 2015

It is interesting how he takes advantage of this controversy to push his own agenda.

It seems desperate to me, and unnecessary. But, it is an attention-getter.

Euler · Jan 9, 2015

TheDag said:
Lets be honest if this was the other way around you would not accept one example as evidence of the claim. Of course it isn't hard to find stories about white people being killed and no law being changed. Yet apparently preachers wife is guilty of racial profiling while Euler stays quiet on your racial profiling!

Oh boy, so much wrong in just a few lines.

I didn't use the term 'racial profiling' - I spoke of 'racial STEREOTYPING'. There's a difference, look it up. Unlike yourself, I try to choose my words carefully.

Secondly, KC's example isn't racial profiling anyway. Racial profiling is the system some law enforcement agencies use to make decisions about arresting people! This is markedly different from what KC was talking about - changing laws!

Now, if you want to amuse yourself with some more stats, go research the numbers on the comparisons between prosecutions launched when a black person is killed, versus a white victim. Please tell me that the same amount of effort and resources is invested in the investigation of black deaths as white. Please also tell me if you are equally likely to receive the same punishment for killing a black person as a white. Are you as likely to receive capital punishment, for example, if you murder a black person?

TheDag · Jan 10, 2015

Euler said:
Oh boy, so much wrong in just a few lines.

I didn't use the term 'racial profiling' - I spoke of 'racial STEREOTYPING'. There's a difference, look it up. Unlike yourself, I try to choose my words carefully.

Secondly, KC's example isn't racial profiling anyway. Racial profiling is the system some law enforcement agencies use to make decisions about arresting people! This is markedly different from what KC was talking about - changing laws!

Now, if you want to amuse yourself with some more stats, go research the numbers on the comparisons between prosecutions launched when a black person is killed, versus a white victim. Please tell me that the same amount of effort and resources is invested in the investigation of black deaths as white. Please also tell me if you are equally likely to receive the same punishment for killing a black person as a white. Are you as likely to receive capital punishment, for example, if you murder a black person?

wow so you dismiss my post on the basis of poorly chosen word. Fine KC was making generalisations that simply can not be supported by non ancedotal evidence.

Euler · Jan 10, 2015

TheDag said:
wow so you dismiss my post on the basis of poorly chosen word. Fine KC was making generalisations that simply can not be supported by non ancedotal evidence.

No, it's not a semantic difference. Profiling and stereotyping are two entirely different concepts. What KC highlighted was neither of those.

KCfromNC · Jan 10, 2015

TheDag said:
wow so you dismiss my post on the basis of poorly chosen word. Fine KC was making generalisations that simply can not be supported by non ancedotal evidence.

Except for the fact that the claim I made was supported by evidence. Didn't you bother to read the link I included before claiming that I was making stuff up?

GNJ · Jan 10, 2015

Now how about we talk about the huge percentages of children in foster care since birth because no one will adopt them? How about we talk about how a huge percentage of those children are not white?

How about we talk about all the anti-abortionists who fight for the rights of these unborn children to live, but turn their backs once they are actually born? Practice what you preach.

PreachersWife2004 · Jan 10, 2015

GNJ said:
Now how about we talk about the huge percentages of children in foster care since birth because no one will adopt them? How about we talk about how a huge percentage of those children are not white?

I've talked to a good number of people about this, since we're licensed foster care providers. There's A LOT of people who want to adopt these children, but for whatever reason can't. In most cases it's because the biological parent is still involved, even though the child is a ward of the state. Foster care's biggest purpose/goal is reuniting these children with their parents, so as long as a biological parent remains a part, they will not adopt these children out.

The second biggest reason is that any time a white family wishes to adopt a black child, they face enormous scrutiny and criticism. One of our good friends, who got us interested in fostering actually, was going to adopt a 12 year old black girl. Almost everything was finalized. Then suddenly the girl's aunt stepped up and said "we'll take her". So the adoption fell through. A few months later the young girl was back in foster care. The aunt told a mutual friend that she just didn't want the girl in a white family.

How about we talk about all the anti-abortionists who fight for the rights of these unborn children to live, but turn their backs once they are actually born? Practice what you preach.

Most do, actually. You just don't get press time for donating what you can these days. For example, after we had our three littles, we were not in a position to do a foster-adopt, but we have always sent donations to our county offices. We send clothes, gift certificates to places, etc. There's a huge network of people who do this.

Autumnleaf · Jan 10, 2015

Euler said:
I put the same question to you.

How do you know that those people protesting the cops don't ALSO protest black abortions? Do you make the same assumptions that she does? Do you leap to the same conclusions?

How do you know that "those people" don't do like she does and find "other ways" to protest abortions?

It doesn't matter if they protest the abortion clinics or not. The Sheriff's point is valid.

The obvious answer to your question is we don't see the cops all over the place at abortion clinics in black neighborhoods. That is how we know there aren't protests there.

Look at what this sheriff had to say...

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