The Bible plainly says all men are sinners. Not "were" sinners, as you suppose.
Actually, that is not true. God's Word does say that we used to be sinners in the past. For the Scriptures say,
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Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." (Ephesians 2:2-3).
"Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. But ye have not so learned Christ; If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness." (Ephesians 4:19-24).
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And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister." (Colossians 1:21-23). (New American Standard).
"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth: fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience,
in which ye also once walked, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Do not lie one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him." (Colossians 3:5-10). (21st Century King James).
"Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children,
not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1 Peter 1:13-16).
We confess in order to be cleansed.
What does 1 John 1:9 say we are ceansed of? Unrighteousness. 1 John 5:17 says all unrighteousness is sin. So we are cleansed of sin. This makes sense because 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. So one is saved if they confess. For forgiveness and salvation are tied together.
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace." (Ephesians 1:7).
"In whom we have redemption through his blood,
that is, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:14) (Geneva Bible)
And as Jesus had to teach ol' Peter in John 13, even though he was "clean", meaning saved, he still needed his feet cleaned to have fellowship with Jesus. Otherwise, Peter could have "no part" with Jesus. That's about fellowship obviously.
No. The outward cleaning was symbolic of their inward condition of being clean. For Jesus said there is one among them who is not clean (i.e. Judas).
I just told you. From the Bible. 1 Jn 1:9.
I still have no idea what confession serves for you. You said one is cleansed. But of what thing is a person being cleansed of?
What is it about the words "immediately" and some point in the future" that aren't clear enough that they aren't equated at all? That's the continuing hang up that you present.
Your missing the point. It does not matter if a believer sins immediately after they confessed or if they sin at some point in the far future. If they say they are going to be a slave to sin in some way the rest of their life, they are making excuses that they will sin. God cannot condone such thinking because He would have to be a party to such wrong thinking on sin; And that is just not possible.
In Jesus' day, foot washing wasn't symbolic. It was functional. Animals shared the roads and paths with humans. So people got FECES all over their feet when they walked the roads and paths.
If you lived at that time, would you want anyone to track any of that stuff into your home? Hm? Of course not. You'd have a servant clean the feet of all visitors.
So, even though one would have had a bath before visiting, their feet would still need to be cleaned before entering the home for the purpose of fellowship. That was Jesus' point to Peter and the rest.
Jesus said his words are spirit and they are life. There was never a time that He did not speak without it having a spiritual meaning attached to it.
I've explained this thoroughly. There is nothing more that I can do. But go ahead and knock yourself out with the most outlandish scenarios you can think of.
I have not provided outlandish scenarios. I have provided real world examples or parables just as Jesus had done.
But since you do bring up extreme scenarios, it only shows that the real person that has been offended is you. And you don't want anyone to get away with anything. You want them in hell, right?
This is just false slander. No. I do not wish any evil upon anyone. I also do not believe hell is a place of eternal torment. I believe it is more like a really bad prison and in time after the Judgment, all the wicked in hell will be erased from existence in the Lake of Fire. Evil will come to an end.
Well, God has a different plan for mankind. The plan is based on GRACE, something that the conditional security ilk have no idea about
The Conditional Salvationist understands Biblical grace just fine. They just do not prescribe to OSAS's version of grace that condones sin in some way.
I've already shown the verses that teach that Christ died for all sin once for all.
And I provided the context for you so as to show you that it is not what you think it says.
So even when a child of God sins after being saved, that sin was already covered by Christ's sacrifice.
It seems you're understanding of what the OT sacrifices were for is lacking.
The difference between the OT sacrifices and Christ's perfect sacrifice is that the OT sacrifice never took away past sin for good. They had to keep revisiting the same past sins each year. But with Jesus's perfect sacrifice, all past sin is forever forgiven. But just like in the Old Covenant, if one sins again, they both need to confess their sin so as to maintain their right standing with God.
"He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:28-29).
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