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No, the parable of the soils is about fruit production, or spiritual maturity. Soils 2 and 3 believed and were saved, but because of various distractions, never grew up and produced fruit.No he wasn't. There was no fruit. That's why the fourth soil is the picture of a true believer. There is fruit.
Is that done in the flesh or in the Spirit?The Bible says that man believes from his heart.
It's made in the heart. Rom 10:10 says so.So when one chooses to believe, is that choice made in the Spirit or in the flesh?
There is no issue. Eph 2:5 is about being "made alive", or "having been saved". V.8 says we are saved through faith. The order is pretty clear.The question isn't about choosing. The issue is whether or not you are in the Spirit (regenerated) or in the flesh (unregenerate) when you choose.
How about showing Scripture that shows which? Are there any?So when you believe, are you in the flesh or the Spirit?
Jesus very plainly SAID that the second soil believed. Luke 8:13 But you've chosen to ignore what He SAID. Or reject. Which is it?That's what I'm saying. Keep in mind that Christianity can be treated just like any religion. There are people who "join" because they think it will help their lives, or whatever. That hard times come and it shows that they were not actually rooted in Christ. Otherwise, they'd bear fruit.
So, salvation is really about producing fruit then, and not about believing in Christ??Yes, since the others never bore fruit, then they can not be saved.
Jesus says
Matthew 7:19
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
All believers produce fruit. Hence, the parable.No, the parable of the soils is about fruit production, or spiritual maturity. Soils 2 and 3 believed and were saved, but because of various distractions, never grew up and produced fruit.
Baby or immature believers don't produce fruit. They need to grow up first.
Belief isn't enough. Even the demons believe. There was no root.Jesus very plainly SAID that the second soil believed. Luke 8:13 But you've chosen to ignore what He SAID. Or reject. Which is it?
Never said that.So, salvation is really about producing fruit then, and not about believing in Christ??
No, the parable of the soils is about fruit production, or spiritual maturity. Soils 2 and 3 believed and were saved, but because of various distractions, never grew up and produced fruit.
Baby or immature believers don't produce fruit. They need to grow up first.
So then you also reject Paul's answer to the jailer who asked him what he MUST DO to be saved. And Paul told him, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".It doesn't say they were saved. It says they had no root. Belief isn't enough to save.
Why would you think I reject that? I never said faith wasn't required. Perhaps it would be best to look at the whole argument I made instead of deconstructing it. Then you'd be able to make what would at least be a coherent rejoinder.So then you also reject Paul's answer to the jailer who asked him what he MUST DO to be saved. And Paul told him, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".
Belief in Christ is the ONLY WAY to be saved. Those who add anything else; works, deeds, fruit, etc only reject God's GRACE.
Uh, James told us what it is that the demons believe. They believe in monotheism. When did that become "saving faith" for humans? Never.Belief isn't enough. Even the demons believe.
Define yourself please. Rom 10:10 is clear about where man believes from; his heart.Is that done in the flesh or in the Spirit?
Please support this assumption with clear Scripture.All believers produce fruit. Hence, the parable.
Because eternal life is given WHEN one believes, per Jesus in John 5:24. And Paul said that eternal life is a gift of God in Rom 6:23. And then he said that God's gifts are irrevocable.Actually, it says they fell away. And it says they believed for a while. If one no longer believes, how are they saved?
Because you actually said this:Why would you think I reject that?
Please stop trying to deconstruct my comments. Your statement is clear; belief isn't enough to save. Yet, that's ALL Paul told the jailer about how to be saved. So you DO reject Paul's answer to the jailer, which was my point. Stop trying to deflect from the issue.I never said faith wasn't required.
You've been refuted by Scripture. Your statement is clear about more being required to be saved than just belief. Paul refutes that notion.Perhaps it would be best to look at the whole argument I made instead of deconstructing it. Then you'd be able to make what would at least be a coherent rejoinder.
I thought that any believer with even a little bit of knowledge about theology would understand the question. I see I was wrong, and I apologize that I assumed that about you.Define yourself please. Rom 10:10 is clear about where man believes from; his heart.
Seems you're quite fond of asking questions, but not so much about answering them.
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