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Untrue. Both Calvinist and non-calvinist believe God does the saving.
"Time will sort it out" doesn't explain how what I & Albion are saying is untrue, and you don't bother to name the point at which you part with Calvin.Untrue. Both Calvinist and non-calvinist believe God does the saving. God is the deciding factor and it is His will that no man perish.
I agree with the Calvinist up to a point. I do believe God knows all things and we never surprize God. But that's as far as I agree with Calvinist belief. Time will sort it out.
I don't think anyone debates that this is what freewill Ariminians (Methodist or Baptists) believe.
What we question is how one can simultaneously say "faith is not a work and works do not bring about salvation" while simultaneously saying "the autonomous human will is what ultimately effects human salvation and damnation." How can you possibly say both things at once?
"Time will sort it out" doesn't explain how what I & Albion are saying is untrue, and you don't bother to name the point at which you part with Calvin.
I agree with Calvin on the pointy of soteriology, but part ways with him on sacramentology & ecclesiology especialy in the area of church discipline.
Time might sort you out if you don't sort it out first.
That's right, this formula puts human will as the deciding factor in salvation leaving God as only making it possible, but the fact remains we don't save ourselves.
I don't really see how that is true. If salvation is dependent upon anything we do but can choose not to do, God merely offers salvation--which is quite a different matter.
I really doubt it matters that much. It is the belief in Christ that matters not whether you're a Calvinist or not. I rarely engage in Calvin threads. They lead nowhere."Time will sort it out" doesn't explain how what I & Albion are saying is untrue, and you don't bother to name the point at which you part with Calvin.
I agree with Calvin on the pointy of soteriology, but part ways with him on sacramentology & ecclesiology especialy in the area of church discipline.
Time might sort you out if you don't sort it out first.
If you mean soteriologicaly Calvinist, it matters as much as believing God saves us, or we save ourselves by making intelligent choices.quote=Rev Randy;I really doubt it matters that much. It is the belief in Christ that matters not whether you're a Calvinist or not.
Depends on what you believe about being anywhere means.I rarely engage in Calvin threads. They lead nowhere.
Your point is simple self-deception if Randy thinks Randy had anything decisive to do with his being saved.My point was simple. Rev. Randy is not a Calvinist and Rev. Randy does not believe he saved himself.
Being Orthodox I'm not even willing to say I'm saved but have hope I will be saved.If you mean soteriologicaly Calvinist, it matters as much as believing God saves us, or we save ourselves by making intelligent choices.
Depends on what you believe about being anywhere means.
Your point is simple self-deception if Randy thinks Randy had anything decisive to do with his being saved.
How sad.Being Orthodox I'm not even willing to say I'm saved but have hope I will be saved.
Hoping you will be saved is like hoping the gospel makes sense.
It does or it doesn't.
You are or you are not.
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