Logic or Lunatic - Fairness or Un-reasonable - Right or Wrong -Defend or Lay Down and

[ContraMundum]

I'm not sure I believe that Hezbollah is launching all these rockets. There's a number of really odd things about that. How is some rag-tag organization hiding in buildings & caves capable of launching hundreds of rockets with >10-mile range? I don't buy that. Where do they hide them? How do they finance them? How do they smuggle them? The other thing is, the vast majority of Israelis killed are Israeli Arabs, in Israeli Arab communities. That strikes me as a bit fishy.

Anyway, I agree, these rockets give Israelis the pretext they need to invade Lebanon all right....

apple- Hezbollah is financed by Iranian and Syrian interests- that's easy to prove and well promoted. They've also had a decade to prepare for this, and mobile rocket launchers are WWII technology and were used well even back then. They stored many of their equipment in houses, and even some in open sight bases. They dug in on UN sites and had entrenchments all over southern Lebanon. This stuff should not be a surprise to you at all- just do a little reading on the topic and you'll see it's not hard to believe at all.

As for most casualties being Arab Israeli, I'm not sure that's true. I do seem to remember that most have not been, but perhaps the media has latched on to that more. AT least Arabs can live in Israel- the million or so Jews living in Arab countries were kicked out.

 

[gwynedd1]

I'm not sure I believe that Hezbollah is launching all these rockets. There's a number of really odd things about that. How is some rag-tag organization hiding in buildings & caves capable of launching hundreds of rockets with >10-mile range? I don't buy that. Where do they hide them? How do they finance them? How do they smuggle them? The other thing is, the vast majority of Israelis killed are Israeli Arabs, in Israeli Arab communities. That strikes me as a bit fishy.

Anyway, I agree, these rockets give Israelis the pretext they need to invade Lebanon all right....

Well again it is hard to say. Groups that start one way can become another. Such organizations can be penetrated and manipulated . If you are a despot the first order of business is to form your own opposition. If I were such a person even in this forum I could have one ID at a library or at work and attack my ideas badly. I could become a Jewish racist if I wanted to discredit Jews or I could pose as a racist muslim. I could quote the Satanic bible etc... Satan is the father of lies and as such can result in great evil.
The important thing to know is who benefits and what do they want? Operant conditioning at times has a bit of a reward or punishment paradox. Sometimes the applied reward or punishment inceases or decreases behavior unexpectedly. The correct interpretation is that the assumptions of reward and punishment are wrong. This sometimes occurs when children are ignored or punished, they prefer any attention over nothing.
Those that think they can win a war will want one. Politicians often benefit from war. The Argentinian attack on the Falkland Islands is a classic example. The Franco-Prussian war that set the stage for the 20th century was Bismarck's tool to unify the German nation and draw the center of its power from Vienna to Berlin.

Its time to discard our worldly wisdom and accept Christ's wisdom of being peace makers.

1 Cor
1
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
[19] For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
[20] Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
[21] For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
[22] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
[23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
[25] Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
[26] For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
[27] But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

 

[gwynedd1]

AT least Arabs can live in Israel- the million or so Jews living in Arab countries were kicked out.

There is your blindness. This was by a design not fully from the arabs. See how well the Arab leaders fulfilled the requirments of Zionism. This will arrive in the United States at some point, again to satisfy the goal of Zionism.

Now if I had an argument with 10 completly different people and they seldom argued with themselves would you suspect there is something with the other ten? The reason there is anti-semitism is because it was used to preserve the culture. The only problem is , in my opinion, based upon the evidence, is the force behind this is a wealthy Frankist sect that are the followers of Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank today.

....
The true identity and objective of the masterminds behind the bombings has been the subject of controversy. Philip Mendes, in his work on post-1948 Jewish refugees, states that anti-Zionist Jewish authors, along with many Iraqi Jews, believed that the attacks were carried out by the Zionist underground. A secret Israeli inquiry in 1960 reported that most of the witnesses believed that Jews had been responsible for the bombings, but found no evidence that they were ordered by Israel or any motive that would have explained the attack (Morris and Black). The issue remains unresolved: Iraqi activists in Israel still regularly charge that Israel used violence to engineer the exodus, while Israeli officials of the time vehemently deny it (ibid). Iraqi authorities eventually charged three members of the Zionist underground with perpetrating the explosions. Two of those charged, Shalom Salah Shalom and Yosef Ibrahim Basri, were subsequently found guilty and executed, whilst the third was sentenced to a lengthy jail term. Salah Shalom claimed in his trial that he was tortured into confessing, and Yosef Basri maintained his innocence throughout.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Iraq

 

[inhisdebt]

Logic or Lunatic - Fairness or Un-reasonable - Right or Wrong -Defend or Lay Down and Die

Illustration:

I am the enemy. I take my gun and shoot at your house. No Cops to come, not one to stop me. I shoot over and over again at your house. You and your family are in the house.

You have weapons you can fight with. You are a Christian. What do you do. I hate you. I am going to kill you, murder you because hate is murder, killing in self-defense is not murder.

I don't care what you think, I am out to eliminate you from the face of the earth. I want what you have, I what the land you live on, I don't want you to have it or anyone that is related to you or like you who defends you to have it. I will murder them too given the chance.

Now you are the one in the house what are you going to do.

Can you answer this illustration:

Will you fight?

Will you try to negotiate?

Will you lay down and die and just let me murder you?


Understand I will not negotiate with you my goal its to remove you and all who think like you off the face of the earth.

What will you do?

That depends, as a christian man with a family i have several responsabilities at play in this scenario. without a doubt if my family is with me and you are putting them in danger then gorden go splat!! If i am the only one at home and the family is safe then i have to determine wether it is Gods will for me to die in an attempt to witness to you, or leave to support my family elswere.This would greatly be determined in my mind by what i would consider the (marter value) so to speak ie... is your assualt the result of my relationship with christ or are you just a common nut, while i may be willing to risk my life witnessing to you and face marterdom i may not be willing to die for 30 dollars and 25 cents( the average currency in my wallet) If the attack is because of my faith, and my family is endangered then i indeed have a torterouse decisin to make and to be honest while i hope that i would have the faith to face this kind of delima, i cant make that kind of decision now, as what i would face on my own and what i would ask my family to face with me are two differant things, in the meantime i hope to stack up the evidince against me as a christian, and pray the lord will build my faith untill then.

 

[inhisdebt]

How would US cops go after a criminal gang, without blowinp up half the city?

Sorry an armed military with 13000 missiles is not a police issue it is a military issue

A friend or family member of evey innocent person Israel kills becomes a new rocket maker. How does Israel make itself safe when it makes itself more enemies?

Israel has produced all the eniemies it has because it exists period they Cant produce more, without breeding more arabs, this kind of racial hatred started before ww2 and is why many of the arab states supported hitler then, this is not a new issue, it started when the sanhedrain refused to accept the koran into the torrah and has continued ever since .

Israel did that for their own convenience, not out of any compassion for the innocent. And, it was far from inadquate to prevent hundreds of civilians from being killed.



The Isreali people were well aware of the incoming rockets.
[/QUOTE]A 30 second warning by an incoming security net is hardly a warning to leave.

Israel's past brutality is why there was 13,000 rockets pointed at them. And, Isreal doesn't have missiles pointed at anyone?

I seem to remember 240 marines were killed by hezbollah and they didnt even have rounds in there weapons, i suppose that was americas fault huh, the 13000 rockets is because hezbollah is a bunch of warmongering thugs, animals with aposable thumbs and nothing more.

No, Lebanon did not allow Hezbollah. Lebanon was in no position to stop Hezbollah. Israel occupied part of Lebanon for 18 years and couldn't stop Hezbollah.

And 6 years after they left the only thing that has changed is that hezbollah is better armed. next your going to tell us that we should work with lebonon settle the issue.

If Israel wasn't Hell spawn, they would have enlisted the cooperation of the Lebanese government to go after the Hezbellah organization in a police-like fashion, rather than by going to war against Lebanon. Isreal would have supplied the resources while the Lebanese government would have supplied the legitimacy

.

There is no legitamy to be had with the leboneese government they walk in step with iran, syria, and hezbolloh.

Lebanon was trying. There is also a UN resolution telling Israel to pull out of the occupied countries

. Israel had already pulled out of lebonese teritory, the land in contention was syrian and taken because of syrias habit of using the land to launch attacks on israel

There were no rockets until Israel attacked. There was no war until Israel attacked.

Wrong hezbollah launched rockets previose to its attack on the outpost as a diversion and then comenced the attack on the outpost and killed 8 definatly an act of war. You are attempting to support the anti-christ against the jews, both are currently anti christ religions but jesus will return to defend the jews.

 

[IisJustMe]

When we make excuses for terrorists, believing their ugly and self-serving propaganda that they are justified in killing Jews, we abandon Christ. Much of the liberal church has done exactly that. As Torah so aptly posted in opposition to those of you who would make Israel the terrorist, who would make Israel the aggressor, who would make Israel the catalyst of what may become World War III, even the Palestinians and the Lebonese, when exposed to the truth, abandon the folly of rhetoric and BS and proclaim the facts that the terrorists are liars, murderers, and without claim to anything just or right. And yet there are those of you who would continue to stand in defiance of all logic and biblical truth. You deny Christ and His truth in doing so.

When did we start believing that our way of life wasn’t worth preserving against people like the Islamofascists that seem relentless in their pursuit of our destruction, and Israel's? When did we start believing that it wasn’t a long commitment to fight against enemies like those petty tyrants in Iran and the fools who would make themselves kings in Iraq who have continued to facilitate violence against Americans? When did we start believing that our commitment to the world could be abandoned when it became too painful to the most sensitive and manipulated (by the terrorists themselves) among us?

It is my contention that it is the direct outgrowth of our decision not to preach the entire gospel. Preaching this 'half-a-gospel' is the logical end theology of those of my own generation (and their children) who have refused to accept the authority of God in their own lives, preferring to keep Him in their pocket, taking Him out only when there is strife or trouble, like a good-luck charm rather than the Beautiful Savior He should be among people who call themselves believers. Those among the liberal churches are quite fond of preaching God's love through Christ, but are willingly ignorant of His claim to judge the world as well. And why is that? Again, my contention is that it is because they have grown up being able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, the instant they want it, and the idea of being accountable to someone of greater authority than themselves is abhorrant to them. Tough. That's what's coming. Get over it. And by the way, repent! Before its too late.

It is bad enough that many have ruined their own lives, their own concept of who God really is, with this one-sided view of the truth, a view that is nothing more than denial, not faith at all, but head-in-the-sand refusal to believe the God of the Bible. Now some among you have even stretched your denial into a worldview that it totally at odds with the truth of the Bible. Many have warped their so-called faith into such a misshapen morass it is no longer recognizable as Christianity, in that they would embrace the 'right' of a member of an unbelieving religion to murder innocent children of God because that same misshapen morass also claims that the chosen people of God are instead usurpers, thieves and murderers themselves, which is ludicrous and naive.

Justify the view that Israel is somehow at fault, claim that the terrorists are 'freedom fighters,' refuse to acknowledge that Israel's promises from God will be realized and claim instead that the church has somehow wrested those promises from Israel. In all these things you will be wrong, you will have adopted a discredited doctrine of 'replacement theology' in spite of the Word of God, and you will mark yourself among the antisemites and biblical revisionists of the world.

If I were among you, I would be ashamed.

 

[gwynedd1]

When we make excuses for terrorists, believing their ugly and self-serving propaganda that they are justified in killing Jews, we abandon Christ. Much of the liberal church has done exactly that. As Torah so aptly posted in opposition to those of you who would make Israel the terrorist, who would make Israel the aggressor, who would make Israel the catalyst of what may become World War III, even the Palestinians and the Lebonese, when exposed to the truth, abandon the folly of rhetoric and BS and proclaim the facts that the terrorists are liars, murderers, and without claim to anything just or right. And yet there are those of you who would continue to stand in defiance of all logic and biblical truth. You deny Christ and His truth in doing so.

When did we start believing that our way of life wasn’t worth preserving against people like the Islamofascists that seem relentless in their pursuit of our destruction, and Israel's? When did we start believing that it wasn’t a long commitment to fight against enemies like those petty tyrants in Iran and the fools who would make themselves kings in Iraq who have continued to facilitate violence against Americans? When did we start believing that our commitment to the world could be abandoned when it became too painful to the most sensitive and manipulated (by the terrorists themselves) among us?

It is my contention that it is the direct outgrowth of our decision not to preach the entire gospel. Preaching this 'half-a-gospel' is the logical end theology of those of my own generation (and their children) who have refused to accept the authority of God in their own lives, preferring to keep Him in their pocket, taking Him out only when there is strife or trouble, like a good-luck charm rather than the Beautiful Savior He should be among people who call themselves believers. Those among the liberal churches are quite fond of preaching God's love through Christ, but are willingly ignorant of His claim to judge the world as well. And why is that? Again, my contention is that it is because they have grown up being able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, the instant they want it, and the idea of being accountable to someone of greater authority than themselves is abhorrant to them. Tough. That's what's coming. Get over it. And by the way, repent! Before its too late.

It is bad enough that many have ruined their own lives, their own concept of who God really is, with this one-sided view of the truth, a view that is nothing more than denial, not faith at all, but head-in-the-sand refusal to believe the God of the Bible. Now some among you have even stretched your denial into a worldview that it totally at odds with the truth of the Bible. Many have warped their so-called faith into such a misshapen morass it is no longer recognizable as Christianity, in that they would embrace the 'right' of a member of an unbelieving religion to murder innocent children of God because that same misshapen morass also claims that the chosen people of God are instead usurpers, thieves and murderers themselves, which is ludicrous and naive.

Justify the view that Israel is somehow at fault, claim that the terrorists are 'freedom fighters,' refuse to acknowledge that Israel's promises from God will be realized and claim instead that the church has somehow wrested those promises from Israel. In all these things you will be wrong, you will have adopted a discredited doctrine of 'replacement theology' in spite of the Word of God, and you will mark yourself among the antisemites and biblical revisionists of the world.

If I were among you, I would be ashamed.

The real shame is you have no scripture to back up your arguments. Therefore what you are saying is null and void and really not worth reading. Use smaller letters to save the space for posts like this, the smaller the better.

 

[ContraMundum]

The real shame is you have no scripture to back up your arguments. Therefore what you are saying is null and void and really not worth reading. Use smaller letters to save the space for posts like this, the smaller the better.

His post was excellent. You don't need to cite scripture to be speaking truth.

I think the politics in his post was self-evident and the theological sentiments behind his comments were well known enough by us readers to be taken as a given and thus there was no need to cite the sacred scriptures- we know where he's coming from.

 

[wildthing]

The real shame is you have no scripture to back up your arguments. Therefore what you are saying is null and void and really not worth reading. Use smaller letters to save the space for posts like this, the smaller the better.

Your complaining about his post. I have never seen him or the supports of Isreal in this thread say to you what you just said about his post (that's the difference between the Liberal party and the Conserative party in The Liberal party they will shout you down for asking a hardball question, in Conserative party you can ask the hardball question and get an answer) Isreal's conflict with the supporters of terrorism is supported by me and by others. I don't need the Bible to support Isreal. Look at History when you have the time. Look at Germany of 1940's and the madman that lead them. look at France during 1880's. Look at any country that has shown disrespt of the Jews and I will show you failure.

 

[Treppers]

Wildthing: "I don't need the Bible to support Israel"

A truly astonishing statement. "I don't need the Bible to support al-Qaeda"; "I don't need the Bible to support genocide." Eh?


Contra: "When we make excuses for terrorists, believing their ugly and self-serving propaganda that they are justified in killing Jews, we abandon Christ. Much of the liberal church has done exactly that. As Torah so aptly posted in opposition to those of you who would make Israel the terrorist, who would make Israel the aggressor, who would make Israel the catalyst of what may become World War III, even the Palestinians and the Lebonese, when exposed to the truth, abandon the folly of rhetoric and BS and proclaim the facts that the terrorists are liars, murderers, and without claim to anything just or right. And yet there are those of you who would continue to stand in defiance of all logic and biblical truth. You deny Christ and His truth in doing so."

The smaller the better, I agree. You can hardly read what he was saying now. When we blindly justify ethnic cleansing, massacre, rape, collective punishment of an entire people, home demolitions, the systematic de-development of an economy, torture, the stealing of their water resources and land, and the dropping of 1 tonne bombs on residential neighbourhoods killing many children, we have abandoned not just Christ, but our humanity as well. Perhaps you can cite me a Lebanese or Palestinian who "when exposed to the truth," abandons the view that Israel is aggressive, the Occupier, the thief? How long has Israel been disobeying resolution 242 for now? Let's see if you can squarely address that question.

 

[Treppers]

And lest we start making excuses, the resolution attaches no preconditions to Israeli withdrawl. The international community says get out, period.

 

[gwynedd1]

His post was excellent. You don't need to cite scripture to be speaking truth.

I think the politics in his post was self-evident and the theological sentiments behind his comments were well known enough by us readers to be taken as a given and thus there was no need to cite the sacred scriptures- we know where he's coming from.

We all have opinions. That is why we are here. If they are well know then everyone has heard it before so where is the value? So I respectfully disagree. You were however, respectful in your response and I appreciate it.

 

[wildthing]

And lest we start making excuses, the resolution attaches no preconditions to Israeli withdrawl. The international community says get out, period.

Why should Isreal be any different then any other countries when dealling with the UN. How many resolutions were pass in the past. How many of them been followed. The point is the UN is valueless and pointless and not worth even following. The international community might say get out but how many of them had resolutions made against them, how many obeyed them?

 

[wildthing]

Wildthing: "I don't need the Bible to support Israel"

A truly astonishing statement. "I don't need the Bible to support al-Qaeda"; "I don't need the Bible to support genocide." Eh?

I see that you have modified your post....I don't need the Bible to support Isreal I just need the last 200 years of European history to support the Isrealis position for an Homeland. When I visit an arab community I see signs in shops proclaim Death to the Jews, death to the Jewish State. That all I need to see to keep my support for the Jewish state. When I see these type of signs I know what the shopkeepers support they support genocide of the Jewish people....

 

[Treppers]

I see that you have modified your post....I don't need the Bible to support Isreal I just need the last 200 years of European history to support the Isrealis position for an Homeland. When I visit an arab community I see signs in shops proclaim Death to the Jews, death to the Jewish State. That all I need to see to keep my support for the Jewish state. When I see these type of signs I know what the shopkeepers support they support genocide of the Jewish people....

You imply that I don't support Israel's existence. Nowhere have I either said or implied this. In fact, I imply the total opposite. Nice grouping of all Arab communities as anti-Semitic by the way.

You mention history. What of the history of Palestine around 1948? Ethnic cleansing, massacre and rape by the Zionist forces? Or isn't raping and murdering Arabs a big deal?

 

[ContraMundum]

The smaller the better, I agree. You can hardly read what he was saying now. When we blindly justify ethnic cleansing, massacre, rape, collective punishment of an entire people, home demolitions, the systematic de-development of an economy, torture, the stealing of their water resources and land, and the dropping of 1 tonne bombs on residential neighbourhoods killing many children, we have abandoned not just Christ, but our humanity as well.

The problem I see with that comment is this: a) we don't support any of the crimes you are speaking of and b) we don't believe the State of Israel does either.


You position appears to be indicting the entire State of Israel for accusations of criminal activities done by individuals, mostly unproven.

I don't think your position is sound on that basis.

I don't see this situation as any different to gwynedd's. He hates Israel because of allegations that Jewish capitalists founded it, therefore it is of the Devil. In his position, the actions of the few condemn the rest. In your position, it is the same.

It saddens me to see that you guys still don't understand how anti-semitism actually works. I've tried to show you both. It starts with this kind of thinking. One person does one thing wrong, and the whole group is condemned, and eventually, persecuted. Likewise, rumour-mongering acts in the same way. One allegation is made, and eventually, the whole group is seen in the light of that allegation.


Ever read about the "blood libel" against the Jews in the Middle Ages? (That is happening again in Arab nations in their television shows!). That's precisely the kind of rumour-mongering that goes on in this thread and others. It starts as allegations of war crimes, and ends up in the propaganda agenda of Hezbollah and other groups, and progresses to katushyas, and eventually to the elimination of Jewish people from their homes.


I can't believe you guys support this.

I know you guys think you are somehow above making such errors. I know you guys believe you make proper and legitimate distinctions between Jews and Zionism and war crimes. I know you guys believe you do- but in reality, you don't. Why? Because you only sing one tune.

Perhaps you can cite me a Lebanese or Palestinian who "when exposed to the truth," abandons the view that Israel is aggressive, the Occupier, the thief? How long has Israel been disobeying resolution 242 for now? Let's see if you can squarely address that question.

We've already answered that in this thread and others. Scroll around.

 

[ContraMundum]

You imply that I don't support Israel's existence. Nowhere have I either said or implied this. In fact, I imply the total opposite. Nice grouping of all Arab communities as anti-Semitic by the way.

You mention history. What of the history of Palestine around 1948? Ethnic cleansing, massacre and rape by the Zionist forces? Or isn't raping and murdering Arabs a big deal?

See my above post. This kind of thing proves my point.

a) Anti-semitism means anti-Jews, not anti-semitic races. The term was coined for that exact reason. Please think carefully and apply terms properly. The usus loquendi of a term determines the meaning.

b) Although you claim Palestine in 1948 was about nothing else than Zionist forces doing evil, the truth is nothing like that, not even close. I think this kind of unbalanced bias betrays a hidden conviction and agenda on your behalf. I think you need to start getting honest about both the facts (and you do know them, don't you? Try telling the whole story for once) and your personal feelings and beliefs about this issue. eg. What made you take on such an extremist position?

 

[ContraMundum]

Treps and gwynn....

Please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism

again.


Note:

"New anti-Semitism. Starting in the latter part of the 20th century, a new style of anti-semitism began to appear. The basis of this anti-Semitism appears to be more political in nature, often overlapping, and being (intentionally) confused with anti-Zionism. This form of anti-Semitism pervades Left wing politics in both Europe & North America, and is characterized by borrowing language and concepts from anti-Zionism"

That's exactly how you guys come across. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_anti-Semitism

 

[gwynedd1]

Your complaining about his post. I have never seen him or the supports of Isreal in this thread say to you what you just said about his post (that's the difference between the Liberal party and the Conserative party in The Liberal party they will shout you down for asking a hardball question, in Conserative party you can ask the hardball question and get an answer) Isreal's conflict with the supporters of terrorism is supported by me and by others. I don't need the Bible to support Isreal. Look at History when you have the time. Look at Germany of 1940's and the madman that lead them. look at France during 1880's. Look at any country that has shown disrespt of the Jews and I will show you failure.

This post is nearly as useless. Why? It is simple. Why should I believe anything you say? What insight or support do you have for your argument?
Ask the hard question. Why do you think it is that Jews have trouble in all the countries that they are in? Why are they hated everywhere as you imply(I have said no such thing). It does happen but it does not happen in a vacuum and it does not only happen to Jews.

 

[gwynedd1]

Treps and gwynn....

Please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism

again.


Note:

"New anti-Semitism. Starting in the latter part of the 20th century, a new style of anti-semitism began to appear. The basis of this anti-Semitism appears to be more political in nature, often overlapping, and being (intentionally) confused with anti-Zionism. This form of anti-Semitism pervades Left wing politics in both Europe & North America, and is characterized by borrowing language and concepts from anti-Zionism"

That's exactly how you guys come across. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_anti-Semitism

What is your point? It is you who is the bigot. If anyone disagrees with what you think, you paint a yellow swastica on their coat. FYI: There is a non-Jewish side and a Jewish side to anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is a form of prejudice. That means I should not judge people for being "Jewish" . However Trotsky was muderous more than "Jewish". Do you see the difference?


"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world"

Albert Einstein

Also you telling me that Judaism is not an inherently racist belief? I would really like to see you try.