Logic or Lunatic - Fairness or Un-reasonable - Right or Wrong -Defend or Lay Down and

[Easystreet]

Logic or Lunatic - Fairness or Un-reasonable - Right or Wrong -Defend or Lay Down and Die

Illustration:

I am the enemy. I take my gun and shoot at your house. No Cops to come, not one to stop me. I shoot over and over again at your house. You and your family are in the house.

You have weapons you can fight with. You are a Christian. What do you do. I hate you. I am going to kill you, murder you because hate is murder, killing in self-defense is not murder.

I don't care what you think, I am out to eliminate you from the face of the earth. I want what you have, I what the land you live on, I don't want you to have it or anyone that is related to you or like you who defends you to have it. I will murder them too given the chance.

Now you are the one in the house what are you going to do.

Can you answer this illustration:

Will you fight?

Will you try to negotiate?

Will you lay down and die and just let me murder you?


Understand I will not negotiate with you my goal its to remove you and all who think like you off the face of the earth.

What will you do?

 

[wildthing]

Talk is cheap... It really won't solve the problem of you hating me. We have already talked so that leaves the only choice that is to shoot you. Self defense is not a crime or a sin... Therfore I do so without remorse.

 

[Poke]

I am the enemy. I take my gun and shoot at your house. No Cops to come, not one to stop me. I shoot over and over again at your house. You and your family are in the house.

You have weapons you can fight with. You are a Christian. What do you do. I hate you. I am going to kill you, murder you because hate is murder, killing in self-defense is not murder.

Israel is not acting in self-defense.

 

[GraceLikeRainFallsDown]

Israel is not acting in self-defense.

I have a difference in opinion. Isreal is definitely acting in self-defence. Hezbollah took Isreal's soldiers hostage and murdered others, not the other way around. Hezbollah started the current conflict not Isreal. Not to mention the 13,000 missles Hezbollah had/has pointed at them.

To answer original post:

Yes, I will fight. (self defense is not a crime or sin as wildthing stated) I would not freely let you take my family or property.

No use negotiating in the given scenario.

 

[Poke]

I have a difference in opinion. Isreal is definitely acting in self-defence. Hezbollah took Isreal's soldiers hostage and murdered others, not the other way around. Hezbollah started the current conflict not Isreal. Not to mention the 13,000 missles Hezbollah had/has pointed at them.

Hezbollah (by supporting the Palestinians) gave Israel an excuse to start a war when Hezbollah attacked Israeli soldiers who had crossed the border (in case that's not clear to you, it was Israeli soldiers, not Hezbollah, who crossed the boarder). Israel has not attacked Hezbollah, but has attacked Lebanon. Israel has killed hundreds of innocent lebanese citizens. So, I don't know how you figure that Israel hasn't murdered anyone. Nor do I know how you think deliberately attacking innocent people is legitimate self-defense.

 

[wildthing]

There was an attack by Hezbollah. this attack was on a soveriegn country. Isreal has every right to defend. I wonder about things I wonder how Hezbollah can afford mounting an offessive and not afford to pay there government workers. I wonder how the Palestinian can support this group when the blood of the people rest not on Isreal but on the hands of Hezbollah...

Are you forgetting that actions that Hezbollah supports is the terrorist attack on Isrealie civilian population. Remeber the bus attacks.

 

[GraceLikeRainFallsDown]

Hezbollah (by supporting the Palestinians) gave Israel an excuse to start a war when Hezbollah attacked Israeli soldiers who had crossed the border (in case that's not clear to you, it was Israeli soldiers, not Hezbollah, who crossed the boarder). Israel has not attacked Hezbollah, but has attacked Lebanon. Israel has killed hundreds of innocent lebanese citizens. So, I don't know how you figure that Israel hasn't murdered anyone. Nor do I know how you think deliberately attacking innocent people is legitimate self-defense.

My understanding was that Isreal was on their side of the border. I now see this is under debate. I am not sure of the exact location. I did a search and did not find a definite answer. Either way, you even state that Hezbollah started the attack.

How is Isreal supposed to eliminate Hezbollah without any civilian cassualties when Hezbollah is using the innocent people of Lebenan as shields. They are shooting the rockets at Isreal from private homes. If Isreal wants to stop the rockets, they must destroy the home. Isreal gave advanced warning via dropping notices as well as verbal over speakers (at least this is my understanding) for all civilians to leave the area. I think that is fair notice under the circumstances. They did not go in unannounced to surprise the civilian population. Did Hezbollah give the same warning to the innocent Isreali people they targeted. NO.

I do agree with you that Isreal has attacked Lebanon as well as Hezbollah. I would expect my country to do the same thing if there were 13,000 missles pointed at me by an organization that hated me from a bordering country and the government of that country did nothing to stop it. Hezbollah was allowed by the government of Lebanaon to stay and threaten their neighbor. If that government was not strong enough to take care of the threat (or just did not want to eliminate them) and Isreal recieved no help from the UN, I do feel it self defence to eliminate the threat themselves.

My understanding is the UN passed a resolution that the Lebanese government was to rid the border of Hezbollah. Well, they did not and the UN did nothing about it. (I just do not understand the point of these resolution anymore. If you do not have willing parties, they do no good at all.) I understand that the UN posted 2,000 troops at the border, but they were useless. I do not even know why they were there. I heard for surveillance only. Well, how did they miss all the Hezbollah rockets? Then Isreal is attacked. They tried the diplomatic route. Did not work. Now it is self defense.

I know we will never agree on this subject. So, I say lets just agree to disagree. Neither one of our views will be changed by the words of the other. I respect that you have the right to your view. I hope you can respect the right for me to have my view as well.

Peace!

 

[Poke]

How is Isreal supposed to eliminate Hezbollah without any civilian cassualties when Hezbollah is using the innocent people of Lebenan as shields.

How would US cops go after a criminal gang, without blowinp up half the city?

If Isreal wants to stop the rockets, they must destroy the home.

A friend or family member of evey innocent person Israel kills becomes a new rocket maker. How does Israel make itself safe when it makes itself more enemies?

Isreal gave advanced warning via dropping notices

Israel did that for their own convenience, not out of any compassion for the innocent. And, it was far from inadquate to prevent hundreds of civilians from being killed.

Did Hezbollah give the same warning to the innocent Isreali people they targeted.

The Isreali people were well aware of the incoming rockets.

I do agree with you that Isreal has attacked Lebanon as well as Hezbollah. I would expect my country to do the same thing if there were 13,000 missles pointed at me

Israel's past brutality is why there was 13,000 rockets pointed at them. And, Isreal doesn't have missiles pointed at anyone?

by an organization that hated me from a bordering country and the government of that country did nothing to stop it. Hezbollah was allowed by the government of Lebanaon to stay and threaten their neighbor.

No, Lebanon did not allow Hezbollah. Lebanon was in no position to stop Hezbollah. Israel occupied part of Lebanon for 18 years and couldn't stop Hezbollah.

If that government was not strong enough to take care of the threat (or just did not want to eliminate them) and Isreal recieved no help from the UN, I do feel it self defence to eliminate the threat themselves.

If Israel wasn't Hell spawn, they would have enlisted the cooperation of the Lebanese government to go after the Hezbellah organization in a police-like fashion, rather than by going to war against Lebanon. Isreal would have supplied the resources while the Lebanese government would have supplied the legitimacy.

My understanding is the UN passed a resolution that the Lebanese government was to rid the border of Hezbollah.

Lebanon was trying. There is also a UN resolution telling Israel to pull out of the occupied countries.

Well, how did they miss all the Hezbollah rockets? Then Isreal is attacked. They tried the diplomatic route. Did not work. Now it is self defense.

There were no rockets until Israel attacked. There was no war until Israel attacked.

 

[Bernergirl]

I'm not very well-versed in the Israel/Hezbollah conflict, but as an answer to the illustration and a question to the posters: can you give a scriptural reference for self-defense not being sin? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm asking a sincere question as I am a new Christian and a making my way through the Bible for the first time. I haven't seen anything that says self-defense is not sin (but I'm not that far in) however, I do seem to recall Christ saying "Do not resist an evil-doer..."

 

[Poke]

I'm not very well-versed in the Israel/Hezbollah conflict,

Israel occupied Lebanon. Isreali brutality caused the growth of Hezbollah, an underground organization. After after 18 years, Heezbollah drove Israel out of Lebanon.

Then a few weeks ago, Israel opened up their military on the Palistinians in the westbank. Hesbollah, in solidarity, attacked some Isreali troops. The Isreali troops were on Syrian land, but land Syria seems to be letting Lebanon have. Isreal responded with a full-scale attack on Lebanon, an innocent party. Hezbollah responded with relatively puny rocket attacks.

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm asking a sincere question as I am a new Christian and a making my way through the Bible for the first time.

This isn't self-defense because Israel is attacking and always provoking attacks, and they used an attack as an excuse to start a war against a country that did not attack them.

So, the question about whether self-defense is OK doesn't really apply. I think Jesus is using hyperbole when he talks about not defending youself. But, whatever point Jesus was making, Israel is doing its best to violate.

 

[Morghaine]

Israel occupied Lebanon. Isreali brutality caused the growth of Hezbollah, an underground organization. After after 18 years, Heezbollah drove Israel out of Lebanon.

Can we have some proof of these brutalities?

Then a few weeks ago, Israel opened up their military on the Palistinians in the westbank. Hesbollah, in solidarity, attacked some Isreali troops. The Isreali troops were on Syrian land, but land Syria seems to be letting Lebanon have. Isreal responded with a full-scale attack on Lebanon, an innocent party. Hezbollah responded with relatively puny rocket attacks.

Those puny rocket attacks have killed approximately 50 Israelis so far.


This isn't self-defense because Israel is attacking and always provoking attacks, and they used an attack as an excuse to start a war against a country that did not attack them.

I'm not sure what news source you're looking at but it's certainly not the ones I'm seeing (mainline, trustworthy news organizations)

So, the question about whether self-defense is OK doesn't really apply. I think Jesus is using hyperbole when he talks about not defending youself. But, whatever point Jesus was making, Israel is doing its best to violate.

Israel has a right to defend themselves against terrorist attacks. However the fight started, Hezbollah has two Israeli soldiers that they will not return. If they are so upstanding as you are implying, why haven't they returned the soldiers.

Here is some information regarding Hezbollah from the BBC. The entire article can be found here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

Hezbollah - or Party of God - emerged in Lebanon in the early 1980s and became the region's leading radical Islamic movement, determined to drive Israeli troops from Lebanon.

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.


The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.


I truly do not understand how you can support a known terrorist organization. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said Israel has never done anything wrong, but to out and out support a terrorist organization has me baffled. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about the USA's war on terror? I read an article just today on CNN about how al Qaeda would like to basically join forces with Hezbollah - and while speaking, Ayman al-Zawahiri was standing in front of a poster of the twin towers burning.

 

[Poke]

Israel has a right to defend themselves against terrorist attacks.

Since when is attacking enemy military troops on your land terrorism? Since when is attacking an innocent country protecting oneself from terrorism? Can you get past the "Israel has a right to protect themselves" chant. No one has denied them that right.

However the fight started, Hezbollah has two Israeli soldiers that they will not return. If they are so upstanding as you are implying, why haven't they returned the soldiers.

Israel has thousands of political prisoners. If Israel is so undestnading, why don't the return those prisoners How are you not being hypocritical? How do you think you have any sense of proportion?

Here is some information regarding Hezbollah from the BBC.

Lebanon is not Hezbollah. Israel attacked Lebanon, an innocent party.

 

[Morghaine]

Since when is attacking enemy military troops on your land terrorism? Since when is attacking an innocent country protecting oneself from terrorism? Can you get past the "Israel has a right to protect themselves" chant. No one has denied them that right.

Perhaps I'll get past the "Israel has a right to protect themselves" chant when you realize that is what they are doing, and stop making it sound like Israel just decided merrily to one day invade Lebanon. I won't try again to see how you relate this to our troops in Iraq.



Israel has thousands of political prisoners. If Israel is so undestnading, why don't the return those prisoners How are you not being hypocritical? How do you think you have any sense of proportion?

I daresay that if we checked the backgrounds of the Israeli's political prisoners vs. the two soldiers that Hezbollah kidnapped - we'd see quite the difference. That's how I'm not being hypocritical.



Lebanon is not Hezbollah. Israel attacked Lebanon, an innocent party.

Lebanon is obviously sheltering Hezbollah (I do realize that some of the people don't want them in Lebanon, but they are still there). Hezbollah builds their headquarters, and hides their weapons, etc. in apartment buildings and heavily residential areas in Lebanon thinking that the innocents will shield them. Israel has no alternative but to fire upon where Hezbollah is located.

 

[gwynedd1]

I'm not very well-versed in the Israel/Hezbollah conflict, but as an answer to the illustration and a question to the posters: can you give a scriptural reference for self-defense not being sin? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm asking a sincere question as I am a new Christian and a making my way through the Bible for the first time. I haven't seen anything that says self-defense is not sin (but I'm not that far in) however, I do seem to recall Christ saying "Do not resist an evil-doer..."

That is a difficult question but here are some scriptures to help. I consider that to defend another may have merit but it is considered better to recieve evil with love and forgiveness. Rember that people are deceived and under Satan's wrath. I struggle with this at times.

Matt 5
38] Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
[40] And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
[41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
[42] Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Here is mention of swords. I am not sure why they would have them if not for some purpose. However rember our Lord said to live by it is to die by it.
Luke.22


35] And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
[37] For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
[38] And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

 

[gwynedd1]

Israel has a right to defend themselves against terrorist attacks. However the fight started, Hezbollah has two Israeli soldiers that they will not return. If they are so upstanding as you are implying, why haven't they returned the soldiers.

Here is some information regarding Hezbollah from the BBC. The entire article can be found here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

Hezbollah - or Party of God - emerged in Lebanon in the early 1980s and became the region's leading radical Islamic movement, determined to drive Israeli troops from Lebanon.

Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Its definition of Israeli occupation has also encompassed the idea that the whole of Palestine is occupied Muslim land and it has argued that Israel has no right to exist.


The party was long supported by Iran, which provided it with arms and money.


I truly do not understand how you can support a known terrorist organization. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said Israel has never done anything wrong, but to out and out support a terrorist organization has me baffled. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about the USA's war on terror? I read an article just today on CNN about how al Qaeda would like to basically join forces with Hezbollah - and while speaking, Ayman al-Zawahiri was standing in front of a poster of the twin towers burning.

I have posted how Israel operates many times. They do not use obvious means of warfare because of the politics involved. They make peace while cutting off water(in a desert remember) to the Palestinians etc. Contolled opposition groups are a rather old trick(see the Bolsheviks). You need to address things like "Operation Northwoods" and rule them out before you even think about killing people. I am really dumb founded at the refusal of some Christians to address this. By such calculation Christians really are a muderous bunch are they not? They should be dipped in pitch and burned like torches for burning Rome.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/a/099120.htm

Is it not easy for those in power to blame another. We Christians should know more than most but today they perhaps died in vain and are forgotten.


http://www.ussliberty.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_196..._iraq_1981.php

http://aztlan.net/mexmossad.htm

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-...on.cgi.20.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ing_David.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/04/09/Is...sexslaves.html
Human trafficking . The more I dig into it, the more digusting this country appears to be...it sickens me.


Lebanon today in plain sight.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723...flictlebanonun
They have hit the UN twice, the first time they lied to blame Hezbollah and the second time they killed UN troops.

How often do I have to post this? Do just deny it? I mean what is it? Israel is essentially a world wide terror organization as they have attacked and betrayed Britain, The United States, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Palistinians, Mexico the UN, and exploited the former Soviet Union for slaves etc. There you have it, "The apple of God's Eye". I wonder why God annilated "The apple of his eye"? The answer is simple, they were a wicked generation.

 

[BrokenGhost]

Logic or Lunatic - Fairness or Un-reasonable - Right or Wrong -Defend or Lay Down and Die

Illustration:

I am the enemy. I take my gun and shoot at your house. No Cops to come, not one to stop me. I shoot over and over again at your house. You and your family are in the house.

You have weapons you can fight with. You are a Christian. What do you do. I hate you. I am going to kill you, murder you because hate is murder, killing in self-defense is not murder.

I don't care what you think, I am out to eliminate you from the face of the earth. I want what you have, I what the land you live on, I don't want you to have it or anyone that is related to you or like you who defends you to have it. I will murder them too given the chance.

Now you are the one in the house what are you going to do.

Can you answer this illustration:

Will you fight?

Will you try to negotiate?

Will you lay down and die and just let me murder you?


Understand I will not negotiate with you my goal its to remove you and all who think like you off the face of the earth.

What will you do?

The part that you leave off of this is that to truly make it accurate, you would have to be in my house. I am shooting up my own house, which you have taken from me. Puts a whole different spin on things now doesnt it? Israel still has a huge chunk of land they decided they didnt want to return to Lebanon when they withdrew.

I truly do not understand how you can support a known terrorist organization. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said Israel has never done anything wrong, but to out and out support a terrorist organization has me baffled. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about the USA's war on terror? I read an article just today on CNN about how al Qaeda would like to basically join forces with Hezbollah - and while speaking, Ayman al-Zawahiri was standing in front of a poster of the twin towers burning.

Just because someone is against Israel, does not make them for the terrorists. But it cant be both ways. Either they are going after terrorists, and had no right to detroy the international airport and blockade the ports; or they are at war with the actual Lebanese government. They claim they are just after Hezbollah, but you cant sit and look at pictures of everything that has been bombed and say they are doing that. They destroyed apartments buildings in southern Beirut because Hezbollah leaders supposedly lived there. LIVED. Which would mean families and everything else. Dont the Generals of the IDF live with their families too? Double standards dont work


Personally, I dont like what either side is doing. But Isreal is killing hundreds of civilians. You dont burn down a house to get rid of a mouse.

 

[wildthing]

That is a difficult question but here are some scriptures to help. I consider that to defend another may have merit but it is considered better to recieve evil with love and forgiveness. Rember that people are deceived and under Satan's wrath. I struggle with this at times.

Matt 5
38] Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
[40] And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
[41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
[42] Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Here is mention of swords. I am not sure why they would have them if not for some purpose. However rember our Lord said to live by it is to die by it.
Luke.22


35] And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
[37] For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
[38] And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Interseting point but! I think we need to study the mean of words a little closer. It's ture Jesus said to turn the other cheek. It is consider an insult to hit a person in the face. In Mathew5:39Jesus menions the rightside. If I hit you on your right cheek I would need to use the backside of my hand. Because most people are right handed, actually I'm not, just a side point. Could this be expression of a Jewish idiom that describes an insult?

I believe the prinicples taught in the Sermon on the Mount is that a christian should not retaliate when insulted or slandered. Being slandered or insulted doesn't threaten your safety But defending yourself from a killer or a rapist is another story.

In Bible, In the old Testement God is shown to be the Warrior-Leader of Isrealites. God rasied up warriors among His choosen people. Samson, Deborah, Gideon. All were given the blessing to wage war. In the New Testement it commends these people for what for their military acts of faith (Hebrews 11:30-40). Look even when given a chance none of the saints, not even Jesus, are seen informing a military convert that he needed to resign from his line of work (Matthew8:5-14 and Luke3:14)

In Luke 22 Jesus encorage them to have a sword in this case it was a short sword or a dagger that belonged to a traverler. This was used for protection against robbers and wild animals. So Jesus did believe in self defense.

Self defense may actually result in one the greatest examples of human love. Jesus said(john15:14) "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends". When protecting one's family or neighbor, a Christian is unselfishly risking his or her life for the sake of others.

I say this to permit muder when one could have been prevented is morally wrong. To allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil. To watch an act of cruelty to children without try to intervene is inexcusable. In short not resisting evil is an evil of omission, and an evil of omission can be just as evil as an evil of comission, Any person who refuses to protect their spouse and children against violent intruder fails them morally.

 

[IisJustMe]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GordonSlocum again." -- CF message

 

[IisJustMe]

Israel is not acting in self-defense.

So, those rockets falling all over northern Israel are figments of their imagination? Or maybe they contain flower seeds and plants that will flourish and grow, and the rockets are just a convenient delivery system?

 

[IisJustMe]

Since when is attacking enemy military troops on your land terrorism?

They weren't on Lebanese territory. The only army still occupying Lebanon before this war was Syria, in violation of UN Resolution 1559, and now quite possibly Iran as well.

Since when is attacking an innocent country protecting oneself from terrorism?

They didn't attack the country, they attacked the terrorists. Hezbollah is "so brave" it hides among the innocents, so that Israel has only two bad choices: Allow the attacks to continue from the enclaves of innocent people sheltering Hezbollah terrorists, or kill everyone in the enclave. Honestly, how "innocent" can those sheltering terrorists really be?

Can you get past the "Israel has a right to protect themselves" chant. No one has denied them that right.

Really? You twist the truth to claim that Israel has occupied Syrian and Lebanese land for years (which are outright lies, by the way) and then claim that Israel provoked an attack when in reality the initial act of war was the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier (within 100 yards of a UN "obvservation" post, I might add) who still has not been returned. Seems to me you would go to any lengths to deny Israel the right to protect herself, including lying about the cause of the conflict.

You apologize for Hezbollah by claiming it was only responding to provocation by Israel, citing the attacks on Gaza, failing to mention those attacks were in direct response to other missle attacks. You denigrate Israel for dropping leaflets to warn the Lebanese people of impending combat action in their sectors, but again apolgize for Hezbollah's failure to do likewise in launching their missles, claiming the Israeli people "are well aware" of the missles.

Yeah, sure they are, for about 30 seconds between launch and impact!

Israel has thousands of political prisoners.

If you call convicted murderers, terrorists, and weapons traffickers "political prisoners." Yeah, sure they do. I guess, by your definition, so is Saddam Huissein.