Logic: if apes connected to humans, humans can "reconnect" to humans - what is the good of that?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

In regard to the theory of evolution .... the major pillar of it is TIME.

Time according to Einstein and others is an illusion ... and it is. Without planet earth how is time calculated? Does it even exist? UNKNOWN

What did Albert Einstein say about time?

In the Special Theory of Relativity, Einstein determined that time is relative—in other words, the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference.

so ... remove planet earth and what is the frame of reference to measure time? UNKNOWN Who believes planet earth existed before anything else? No one.

Why should we calculate time (for the universe) according to what planet earth does? It is non-sensical. Yet we do.

A year is the time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun once

So, the theory of evolution is based on an illusion (time) ... is an illusion scientific? Is an illusion logical? No .... Evolution is based on an illusion from the get go ... so why even argue how life could have "evolved" over million/billions of earth years?

Time in regard to the universe is NOT a fact .... it's an illusion. It is UNKNOWN.

This is a mistaken interpretation of what Einstein was talking about. He said time was an illusion because his theory of relativity implies a block universe - i.e. past, present, & future are equally real. Relativity concerns relative motion - two observers in relative motion will see each other's clocks running slow (a reference frame is the abstract set of points in space that are static with respect to some observer, so observers in relative motion will have different reference frames).

It has nothing to do with whether you could 'remove planet Earth'. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, and years, are just the way we measure the time we experience. It will still (seem to) pass at one second per second for every observer wherever they are, Earth or no.

So the upshot of relativity is that, given people in motion with respect to each other, events in one person's future can be in someone else's past, and events in their future can likewise be in someone else's past. IOW, events in your future have already happened for some observer, which means they're fixed, which means your future - the events and how you respond to them, is fixed, determined. So, according to relativity, not only is time an illusion, free will is also.

I suspect that's not what you were intending to say when invoking Einstein...

 

[SelfSim]

.. A year is the time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun once

So, the theory of evolution is based on an illusion (time) ... is an illusion scientific? Is an illusion logical? No .... Evolution is based on an illusion from the get go ... so why even argue how life could have "evolved" over million/billions of earth years?

Ok, so if time is an illusion, then it still takes a human to perceive an illusion .. There's your frame of reference right there .. the human mind.
Basing Evolution on time makes sense from that same frame of reference .. and when last I checked, Einstein also used his human mind to conceive Universe, Frames of Reference and thence, Relativity.

What (frame) are you using to claim time as an illusion? Are you saying time doesn't make sense from that frame?

Time in regard to the universe is NOT a fact .... it's an illusion. It is UNKNOWN.

Time in regard to the universe makes sense .. that's all that matters.

 

[SelfSim]

.. IOW, events in your future have already happened for some observer, which means they're fixed, which means your future - the events and how you respond to them, is fixed, determined. So, according to relativity, not only is time an illusion, free will is also.

Meh .. Einstein was already coming from a deterministic realism viewpoint .. until he encountered the Bohr arguments, perhaps(?)

I often wonder why the frame implied in the concept of say, a spacetime diagram, is almost never explicitly spelled out .. with the exception of Minkowski's diagrams I suppose, where it is explicitly spelled out as being Minkowski's frame. (A discussion for another time/thread, I guess ..?)

 

[sjastro]

What did Albert Einstein say about time?

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[eleos1954]

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The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.

Albert Einstein

Said other things, you can google it.

 

[sjastro]

The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.

Albert Einstein

Said other things, you can google it.

What are you responding to?

 

[eleos1954]

What are you responding to?

you lol (I thought) .... post #44 ... you quoted my question and didn't add anything, so thought you were re-asking the question ... perhaps not.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What does Einstein have to do with evolution? Or whatever Gottservant thinks evolution is?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Meh .. Einstein was already coming from a deterministic realism viewpoint .. until he encountered the Bohr arguments, perhaps(?)

Special Relativity was an explanatory model for the postulates that the laws of physics and the speed of light were the same for all observers. Does that imply deterministic realism? I don't know.

I often wonder why the frame implied in the concept of say, a spacetime diagram, is almost never explicitly spelled out .. with the exception of Minkowski's diagrams I suppose, where it is explicitly spelled out as being Minkowski's frame. (A discussion for another time/thread, I guess ..?)

There is no preferred frame in relativity.

 

[Believer000]

Hi there,

So yes, a simple element of logic here: if apes connected to humans (genealogically), could humans not "reconnect" to other humans?

I have said before that "the Evolution of a specific survival, is different from the optimum survival for that Evolution" this is merely an extension of that thought - that humans could stop and reconnect with themselves, in order to find the optimum for their current "Evolution". Better yet could we protract the optimum for our species or even over-reach with the optimum? These things are not prohibited, that we develop as advances the species we have as much as is possible. As Jesus promised "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" (gospels, from memory).

In this we would have the working out of our salvation, with Evolution, because we grasp that it is our current "Evolution" that is in our grasp, to make strong or direct, as we need to. The more we are able to reconnect in strength, that is with fewer and fewer mutations (not more, let the reader note) the more we would develop a "pure" evolution, one that is responsive and more readily reacting to selection pressures placed on it. This is a marvel, that God not limit His Creation to a particular past and condemn it with slavery to a concept that bears no predictable fruit - far from, every fruit is predictable in the Lord!

In time we will come to laugh about this, that we thought somehow our past would change the choice we had, in the Lord, about our life and life and meaning in spirit. The word of Evolution will spread, with joy and taking up of courage to fulfil it. This is the Old Evolution breaking down, that new Evolution, of the same species, be able to develop and bear fruit - fruit that is more contextualized with the current state of struggle, in the flesh. Yes! The flesh is able to rest, knowing that God has a part in the direction that our New Evolution is taking. The power of God, is to know it and trust it, in the One whom He has sent.

You may think "well, how can this be: that Evolution become "New"?" But do not be too smart! Jesus said we must be "born again" in order to enter Heaven; how much more must we break down the Old Evolution, in order for New Evolution (of the existing species) to emerge? Does not every species, have capacity to break down and regrow, and regrow using the same focus that served our ancestors, with the greatest longevity in mind? Indeed can we not now repent, when our focus draws away from our neighbor enjoying the same? Or (repent) that the Devil was despised for suggesting that some sort of change was needed (how ever in kind)?

This is special! New Evolution is real! I pray that we master it, just as our Lord mastered us and made us what we were to Him - able to believe whatever it takes to serve Him!

God bless.

Apes are in no way connected to humans. If you believe in God you should not believe the evolution nonsense.

 

[Shemjaza]

Apes are in no way connected to humans. If you believe in God you should not believe the evolution nonsense.

Plenty of people believe in God, but also accept scientific evidence.

In your opinion, what is the difference between an ape and a human?

Modern chimps are both less intelligent and less upright in movement... but they are numerous extinct species who bridge that gap.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Apes are in no way connected to humans. If you believe in God you should not believe the evolution nonsense.

If someone wants to follow your suggestion, and stops believing in evolution, how would you explain Neanderthal man and homo Erectus to that person in an understandable way.