Logic: if apes connected to humans, humans can "reconnect" to humans - what is the good of that?

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So yes, a simple element of logic here: if apes connected to humans (genealogically), could humans not "reconnect" to other humans?

I have said before that "the Evolution of a specific survival, is different from the optimum survival for that Evolution" this is merely an extension of that thought - that humans could stop and reconnect with themselves, in order to find the optimum for their current "Evolution". Better yet could we protract the optimum for our species or even over-reach with the optimum? These things are not prohibited, that we develop as advances the species we have as much as is possible. As Jesus promised "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" (gospels, from memory).

In this we would have the working out of our salvation, with Evolution, because we grasp that it is our current "Evolution" that is in our grasp, to make strong or direct, as we need to. The more we are able to reconnect in strength, that is with fewer and fewer mutations (not more, let the reader note) the more we would develop a "pure" evolution, one that is responsive and more readily reacting to selection pressures placed on it. This is a marvel, that God not limit His Creation to a particular past and condemn it with slavery to a concept that bears no predictable fruit - far from, every fruit is predictable in the Lord!

In time we will come to laugh about this, that we thought somehow our past would change the choice we had, in the Lord, about our life and life and meaning in spirit. The word of Evolution will spread, with joy and taking up of courage to fulfil it. This is the Old Evolution breaking down, that new Evolution, of the same species, be able to develop and bear fruit - fruit that is more contextualized with the current state of struggle, in the flesh. Yes! The flesh is able to rest, knowing that God has a part in the direction that our New Evolution is taking. The power of God, is to know it and trust it, in the One whom He has sent.

You may think "well, how can this be: that Evolution become "New"?" But do not be too smart! Jesus said we must be "born again" in order to enter Heaven; how much more must we break down the Old Evolution, in order for New Evolution (of the existing species) to emerge? Does not every species, have capacity to break down and regrow, and regrow using the same focus that served our ancestors, with the greatest longevity in mind? Indeed can we not now repent, when our focus draws away from our neighbor enjoying the same? Or (repent) that the Devil was despised for suggesting that some sort of change was needed (how ever in kind)?

This is special! New Evolution is real! I pray that we master it, just as our Lord mastered us and made us what we were to Him - able to believe whatever it takes to serve Him!

God bless.

 

[Sheila Davis]

That is deep
_ yet I see nothing pertaining to the will of God for mankind in the future. When the end of days come scripture says we will be as Jesus, we will have new bodies and we will see him as he is. Not only that - but this earth and this known space will cease to exist - there will be a new heaven and a new Earth. Evolution, the things of this Earth, of any sort, does not play any part in any sense.
Man did not evolve - scripture tells us God formed man himself, and "placed" him in the garden on Earth - mutations are most likely from the DNA of angels according to Genesis 6 - which also points out that their offspring would also exist after the flood.

And there are new studies that indicate that the majority of these mutations occurred in the past 10,000 years.
Most of the harmful mutations in people arose in the past 5,000 to 10,000 years

Humans Have Been Evolving Like Crazy Over the Past Few Thousand Years | Smart News| Smithsonian Magazine

Could Adam had been a homo erectus? Could the Neanderthal and the homo sapien
and all other humanoids be mutations from angelic tampering?

To be fair maybe I just really don't understand what you're saying!

 

[returntosender]

I still can't figure out how you can believe we evolved and believe in God. It seems you are on the fence.

 

[Freodin]

So yes, a simple element of logic here: if apes connected to humans (genealogically), could humans not "reconnect" to other humans?

Humans are connected to other humans in exactly this way. There is no need to "reconnect" in this sense... and if you want to use "reconnect" in a different meaning, the usage of "connect" in relationship to apes is meaningless.

 

[Larniavc]

I have said before that "the Evolution of a specific survival, is different from the optimum survival for that Evolution"

This is not how evolution works.

 

[Frank Robert]

I still can't figure out how you can believe we evolved and believe in God. It seems you are on the fence.

Most mainstream christian denomination have no problem believing God as the creator. The creationist belief makes their god into a deceiver.

 

[AV1611VET]

Most mainstream christian denomination have no problem believing God as the creator. The creationist belief makes their god into a deceiver.

Well, He certainly didn't deceive you, did He?

He pulled a fast one on "most mainstream Christian denominations," but not on Frank Robert ... right?

After all, you're privy to some pool of knowledge that exposes God for what He is, aren't you?

Let me guess.

That pool of knowledge is called SCIENCE, isn't it?

 

[partinobodycular]

That pool of knowledge is called SCIENCE, isn't it?

Well at least it's knowledge, as opposed to the biblical alternative.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well at least it's knowledge, as opposed to the biblical alternative.

Science gives knowledge a bad name.

 

[returntosender]

Most mainstream christian denomination have no problem believing God as the creator. The creationist belief makes their god into a deceiver.

So the author of this thread is a creationist or what I call a believer in evolution not God. So there it is gott. You don't believe in God. It's finally settled.

 

[returntosender]

Aren't there places here you aren't supposed to post in?

 

[Larniavc]

That is deep
_ yet I see nothing pertaining to the will of God for mankind in the future. When the end of days come scripture says we will be as Jesus, we will have new bodies and we will see him as he is. Not only that - but this earth and this known space will cease to exist - there will be a new heaven and a new Earth. Evolution, the things of this Earth, of any sort, does not play any part in any sense.
Man did not evolve - scripture tells us God formed man himself, and "placed" him in the garden on Earth - mutations are most likely from the DNA of angels according to Genesis 6 - which also points out that their offspring would also exist after the flood.

And there are new studies that indicate that the majority of these mutations occurred in the past 10,000 years.
Most of the harmful mutations in people arose in the past 5,000 to 10,000 years

Humans Have Been Evolving Like Crazy Over the Past Few Thousand Years | Smart News| Smithsonian Magazine

Could Adam had been a homo erectus? Could the Neanderthal and the homo sapien
and all other humanoids be mutations from angelic tampering?

To be fair maybe I just really don't understand what you're saying!

Not sure what point it is that you are making.

From you first link.

Summary:
“A study of the age of more than 1 million single-letter variations in the human DNA code reveals that most of these mutations are of recent origin, evolutionarily speaking. They arose as a result of explosive population growth, which provides more chances for new mutations to appear in offspring. Many of these mutations are harmful, some have no effect, and others are beneficial now or may provide an adaptive advantage for future generations.”

A larger population means more mutations.

 

[Frank Robert]

Well, He certainly didn't deceive you, did He?

He pulled a fast one on "most mainstream Christian denominations," but not on Frank Robert ... right?

After all, you're privy to some pool of knowledge that exposes God for what He is, aren't you?

Let me guess.

That pool of knowledge is called SCIENCE, isn't it?

The battle isn't between science and God it's between a minority christian belief in a literal bible and science. No one is forcing you to give up your beliefs but problems arise when some Christians want to force their beliefs on others including other Christians.

 

[Frank Robert]

So the author of this thread is a creationist or what I call a believer in evolution not God. So there it is gott. You don't believe in God. It's finally settled.

Perhaps it is settled for you but not it is not for me.

 

[AV1611VET]

The battle isn't between science and God it's between a minority christian belief in a literal bible and science. No one is forcing you to give up your beliefs but problems arise when some Christians want to force their beliefs on others including other Christians.

Speaking of forcing their beliefs, can you tell me why we don't see the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn anymore?

If atheists can "force" their beliefs on us, why can't we do the same on them?

 

[Frank Robert]

Speaking of forcing their beliefs, can you tell me why we don't see the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn anymore?

Separation of state and religion in the constitution.

If atheists can "force" their beliefs on us, why can't we do the same on them?

I am not sure what beliefs you think are being forced on you. If you are referring science as a belief I suggest you read up on the scientific method. Science taught in schools is evidence based and no one is forcing you to personally affirm what is being taught. There are some christian minorities scheming to have their faith based beliefs taught in public schools and there would not be a problem to do so if the creation scientists would provide testable hypotheses for ID/creationism.

 

[AV1611VET]

Separation of state and religion in the constitution.

Christianity = separation of church and state.

Atheianity = separation of church from state.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Hi there,

So yes, a simple element of logic here: if apes connected to humans (genealogically), could humans not "reconnect" to other humans?

I have said before that "the Evolution of a specific survival, is different from the optimum survival for that Evolution" this is merely an extension of that thought - that humans could stop and reconnect with themselves, in order to find the optimum for their current "Evolution". Better yet could we protract the optimum for our species or even over-reach with the optimum? These things are not prohibited, that we develop as advances the species we have as much as is possible. As Jesus promised "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" (gospels, from memory).

In this we would have the working out of our salvation, with Evolution, because we grasp that it is our current "Evolution" that is in our grasp, to make strong or direct, as we need to. The more we are able to reconnect in strength, that is with fewer and fewer mutations (not more, let the reader note) the more we would develop a "pure" evolution, one that is responsive and more readily reacting to selection pressures placed on it. This is a marvel, that God not limit His Creation to a particular past and condemn it with slavery to a concept that bears no predictable fruit - far from, every fruit is predictable in the Lord!

In time we will come to laugh about this, that we thought somehow our past would change the choice we had, in the Lord, about our life and life and meaning in spirit. The word of Evolution will spread, with joy and taking up of courage to fulfil it. This is the Old Evolution breaking down, that new Evolution, of the same species, be able to develop and bear fruit - fruit that is more contextualized with the current state of struggle, in the flesh. Yes! The flesh is able to rest, knowing that God has a part in the direction that our New Evolution is taking. The power of God, is to know it and trust it, in the One whom He has sent.

You may think "well, how can this be: that Evolution become "New"?" But do not be too smart! Jesus said we must be "born again" in order to enter Heaven; how much more must we break down the Old Evolution, in order for New Evolution (of the existing species) to emerge? Does not every species, have capacity to break down and regrow, and regrow using the same focus that served our ancestors, with the greatest longevity in mind? Indeed can we not now repent, when our focus draws away from our neighbor enjoying the same? Or (repent) that the Devil was despised for suggesting that some sort of change was needed (how ever in kind)?

This is special! New Evolution is real! I pray that we master it, just as our Lord mastered us and made us what we were to Him - able to believe whatever it takes to serve Him!

God bless.

I don't understand. I don't get the connect or reconnect part.

 

[eleos1954]

In regard to the theory of evolution .... the major pillar of it is TIME.

Time according to Einstein and others is an illusion ... and it is. Without planet earth how is time calculated? Does it even exist? UNKNOWN

What did Albert Einstein say about time?

In the Special Theory of Relativity, Einstein determined that time is relative—in other words, the rate at which time passes depends on your frame of reference.

so ... remove planet earth and what is the frame of reference to measure time? UNKNOWN Who believes planet earth existed before anything else? No one.

Why should we calculate time (for the universe) according to what planet earth does? It is non-sensical. Yet we do.

A year is the time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun once

So, the theory of evolution is based on an illusion (time) ... is an illusion scientific? Is an illusion logical? No .... Evolution is based on an illusion from the get go ... so why even argue how life could have "evolved" over million/billions of earth years?

Time in regard to the universe is NOT a fact .... it's an illusion. It is UNKNOWN.

 

[Frank Robert]

Christianity = separation of church and state.

Atheianity = separation of church from state.

Call it whatever you want but in the end the US is not a theocracy at least for now.

There is a theory that collapse of civilization will bring about a "Second Religiousness" (Oswald Spengler). It may not be long for your desire to be fulfilled.