Logic about same race marriage

[jesusfreak3786]

Who else on here thinks mr. k is on here for the sole purpose of agrivating poeple? I would say he has a lot of fun when it works.

 

[Blackguard_]

Who else on here thinks mr. k is on here for the sole purpose of agrivating poeple? I would say he has a lot of fun when it works.

I don't think he is. Not everyone defending what PC declares heresy is a troll. Some people actuallly do hold controversial views on things.

Maybe he does not seem so bad to me because I used to agree with him. Some verses do make a strong implied arguments against mixing races but nothing explicit condemns it.

for example Hosea 7:7-8
8Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
9Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.

Sounds very much like racialist arguments about race mixing diluting and weakening cultures, nations, etc. But the verse refers to cultural/religious and not racial mixing like the NT prohibition ngainst marrying an infidel, it was just religion was more closely tied to blood in the OT. But even in the OT the Hebrews married outside the Hebrew race, like Ruth and Rahab. And in the NT Paul says all believers are of Abraham's seed, and so of the same 'race' for the purposes of the OT prohibibtions against poluting the Abrahamic bloodline.

 

[Kasey]

I'm not even going to go into Ezra with you because I don't care anymore. Also, when you quoted the definition of oriental, you bolded the word Asian. And you said that it is a matter of perspective. But did you also see that you typed sometimes offensive right before that? So you are right, it is a matter of perspective. If you want to sound more offensive and racist than you already are, then continue to use that word.

I didnt bold the word "asian", it came like that - I took it from www.m-w.com

Oh why not take a look at Ezra? Or how about Nehemiah 13:3 when concerning the word "mixt" which, according to Strong's Concordance and Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon is the Hebrew word "ereb" and it means a mongrel people? The context is God's Law according to verse 1. Even more so, how about Nehemiah 13:27?

No, you dont have a leg to stand on Gaijin, therefore, the only thing you can resort to is unjustifiable name-calling. Thats so typical. There is not evidence from the scriptures that would support interracial marriage. The support comes from people who wish to act and believe in a way contrary to the scriptures.

Therefore, since you have refused to address the evidence, the only conclusion is that you cant and therefore, the evidence supports me and not you.

 

[Kasey]

I think that no matter how much time we spend quote scripture from whatever, this dude is not going to change his mind about what he believes. Oh well

You have no evidence to support your claims and you know it. You dont address Nehemiah nor Ezra, nor the statutes of God nor the Hebrew.

 

[Kasey]

I don't think he is. Not everyone defending what PC declares heresy is a troll. Some people actuallly do hold controversial views on things.

Maybe he does not seem so bad to me because I used to agree with him. Some verses do make a strong implied arguments against mixing races but nothing explicit condemns it.

for example Hosea 7:7-8
8Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
9Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.

Sounds very much like racialist arguments about race mixing diluting and weakening cultures, nations, etc. But the verse refers to cultural/religious and not racial mixing like the NT prohibition ngainst marrying an infidel, it was just religion was more closely tied to blood in the OT. But even in the OT the Hebrews married outside the Hebrew race, like Ruth and Rahab. And in the NT Paul says all believers are of Abraham's seed, and so of the same 'race' for the purposes of the OT prohibibtions against poluting the Abrahamic bloodline.

You have no support to say that Hosea 7:7-8 is referring to diluting and mixing cultures. There is nothing about that in the verses in question. According to context of the statutes of God and Ezra, plus Nehemiah 13:3, 27, this means mixing their race.

The New Testament is based upon the Law and the Prophets, for the scriptures always refer to the Law and the Prophets. Thus, what Paul states is what the Bible states and the Bible states that you are NOT to intermix your race, period.

 

[Kasey]

Hi Kasey - how are you?

Why don't you help us and clarify who is truly pure and white, and what you would allow in terms of marriage for your children. It's not going to be as easy as the scriptures tell you, because there has been SOME race and culture mixing in this country.

So how do you determine who is racially white? I mean, really racially white?

Thanks, Christa Lee (part American Indian, German, Irish and Jewish. But still Christian in my faith!).

I will do this only if you address the scriptural evidence that I have provided that shows that people are not to intermix their race. Will you actually show me the courtesy of doing that or will you forever ignore it like you have been doing?

 

[Kasey]

Who else on here thinks mr. k is on here for the sole purpose of agrivating poeple? I would say he has a lot of fun when it works.

Step up to the plate and address the evidence that I have shown, else, go put your mockery else-where.

 

[Danhalen]

I will do this only if you address the scriptural evidence that I have provided that shows that people are not to intermix their race. Will you actually show me the courtesy of doing that or will you forever ignore it like you have been doing?

This would be easier to do if you would define race. Tell us exactly how you define race so that we can rebuff you.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Step up to the plate and address the evidence that I have shown, else, go put your mockery else-where.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you are truly amusing. I should have to pay for the entertanment you provide.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

I don't think he is. Not everyone defending what PC declares heresy is a troll. Some people actuallly do hold controversial views on things.

Maybe he does not seem so bad to me because I used to agree with him. Some verses do make a strong implied arguments against mixing races but nothing explicit condemns it.

for example Hosea 7:7-8
8Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
9Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.

Sounds very much like racialist arguments about race mixing diluting and weakening cultures, nations, etc. But the verse refers to cultural/religious and not racial mixing like the NT prohibition ngainst marrying an infidel, it was just religion was more closely tied to blood in the OT. But even in the OT the Hebrews married outside the Hebrew race, like Ruth and Rahab. And in the NT Paul says all believers are of Abraham's seed, and so of the same 'race' for the purposes of the OT prohibibtions against poluting the Abrahamic bloodline.

Yeah, off this thread alone I wouldn't think so myself, but I've had a run in with him before, and read some posts that seem to crave reacton. It seems to be a pattern.

 

[Kasey]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you are truly amusing. I should have to pay for the entertanment you provide.

Oh dont worry. You are paying for it.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Oh dont worry. You are paying for it.

Yeah because you are our judge right? Who needs God with Kasey walking the earth? "Kasey the great judge of all that is good and pure" :rolls eyes:

 

[Kasey]

Yeah because you are our judge right? Who needs God with Kasey walking the earth? "Kasey the great judge of all that is good and pure" :rolls eyes:

Show me where I am wrong from the Bible concerning the fact that the races are not intermix. Are you able to do that?

 

[U R my Sonshine]

This would be easier to do if you would define race. Tell us exactly how you define race so that we can rebuff you.

He can't do that because you can't define a race. None of us are "pure' ...not even Kasey. Hitler too wanted a pure race. He "was" what he wanted killed. It is a pattern. Ironically enough he commited suicide.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Show me where I am wrong from the Bible concerning the fact that the races are not intermix. Are you able to do that?

We already have for two days now...save me some keystrokes and go back and reread the thread.

 

[Kasey]

He can't do that because you can't define a race. None of us are "pure' ...not even Kasey. Hitler too wanted a pure race. He "was" what he wanted killed. It is a pattern. Ironically enough he commited suicide.

Yes, you can define a race, just as much as you can define what a white tiger is from all tigers from all cats.

You can do this with any creature, why is it that you cannot do it with humans? The answer is that you dont want to, for if you had to, it would completely contradict your philosophy of their being no races within mankind just as their are those variations within all types of animals like the example I used above. Cats/Tigers/White-Tigers.

 

[Kasey]

We already have for two days now...save me some keystrokes and go back and reread the thread.

Oh really? Have you addressed Ezra? How about Nehemiah 13:3, 27? What about the Hebrew concerning the word "mixed"? Have you addressed those as well?

No, you havent. You are merely content to say that you have. Those passages havent been brought up by anyone who is for same-race marriage and that claims to be a Christian.

The truth of the matter is that no matter how much you vilify it, nor how many times you call me names or what Im saying to be "hateful", its still the truth. You cannot get around the fact that the BIble is completely against same-race marriages. There is no justification for your words of trying to say its different. If the evidence supported what you said, then the Bible wouldnt have passages such as those listed in Ezra 10, Nehemiah 13 and Leviticus 19:19 as well as the context of the creation account in Genesis of the animals being after their "kind".

Bottom-line, the evidence supports what I have shown, else, you would have gone into the Hebrew, you would have tried to show how the evidence from the Hebrew would be wrong, as well as the context of all those passages mentioned previously. But you havent, therefore, this shows conclusively that it supports what I am saying. If it didnt, then the BIble would show it, but it hasnt. Therefore, you have your answer and that is that the Bible is against same-race marriage, which means that GOd the Father and Christ Jesus are against it. They created all to be pure in their own race and its your choice to acknowledge it or attempt to remain in denial.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Oh really? Have you addressed Ezra? How about Nehemiah 13:3, 27? What about the Hebrew concerning the word "mixed"? Have you addressed those as well?

No, you havent. You are merely content to say that you have. Those passages havent been brought up by anyone who is for same-race marriage and that claims to be a Christian.

The truth of the matter is that no matter how much you vilify it, nor how many times you call me names or what Im saying to be "hateful", its still the truth. You cannot get around the fact that the BIble is completely against same-race marriages. There is no justification for your words of trying to say its different. If the evidence supported what you said, then the Bible wouldnt have passages such as those listed in Ezra 10, Nehemiah 13 and Leviticus 19:19 as well as the context of the creation account in Genesis of the animals being after their "kind".

Bottom-line, the evidence supports what I have shown, else, you would have gone into the Hebrew, you would have tried to show how the evidence from the Hebrew would be wrong, as well as the context of all those passages mentioned previously. But you havent, therefore, this shows conclusively that it supports what I am saying. If it didnt, then the BIble would show it, but it hasnt. Therefore, you have your answer and that is that the Bible is against same-race marriage, which means that GOd the Father and Christ Jesus are against it. They created all to be pure in their own race and its your choice to acknowledge it or attempt to remain in denial.

Those verse have all been refuted in this thread you need only look back on it.

You could also benefit from a Biology 101 couse as you have no clue about genetics or what even makes up a race to backup your feable attempts at quoting scripture about farm animals mating. (and on that note....I just began my menstral cycle...so my husband will have me locked in the shed for the next 7 days as I will be unclean...so please pardon my absence until next Sunday)

Until then......

Dawn

 

[MarkT]

Same race marriage should be banned because procreation without adaptation is harmful to society, to the parents and child, and to the gene pool. Without interracial marriages, the phenotype of the population remains the same, leaving this population stagnant and with a lack of genetic development and adaptation. This means that children from same race marriages add nothing to society while using up resources and part of the workforce by taking time away from the people that need to take care of them. In order to promote continuous adaptation of the whole of society, all marriages must be interracial and anything else should be illegal.

Interracial marriages also create a new generation of people who are not as prejudiced against people of other races because they gain tolerance for different races and cultures since they have been exposed and are apart of more then one. If someone is raised while experiencing and being a member of one group and one group only, when exposed to a second group it is likely they will be prejudiced against it. If someone is raised in two different groups, when exposed to a third they are more likely to be accepting of it because they won’t think that there is only one right group, but that there could be many right groups. If interracial marriages had been the way everyone was raised for the past 100 years, the Civil Rights movement would have been much less painful for society in its entirety. Racial tension in the present also would be much more relaxed allowing for a more peaceful, tolerant and positive society.

That's the kind of sad reasoning that comes by scientificism; force people to breed interracially, like animals, and that will lead to an advantage which will allow the species to survive. There's no way to make sense of this. Treating people like animals, as if that's not bad enough but thinking it will lead to a more peaceful society, that's illogical. People who are treated like animals, will behave like animals.

It's been shown that interracial breeding actually causes conflict. People are provoked to jealousy and anger by it. Oddly enough, it even promotes anger and hatred in those who are for interracial breeding against those who are opposed to it. There's no logic to it.

There's no reason to believe interracial breeding leads to survival. Interracial children inevitably choose sides. The recent votes in France and the Netherlands, for example, show us that people desire a national identity. Emotions are tied to this result. Not intellectual reasoning. In fact the intellectual reasons for one state are overridden by the emotional desire of the people to keep the states separate.

Actually it makes sense because it's the only way to preserve the cultures and to satisfy everyone.

In the end that's what people want; peace and stability.

I don't see how provoking people to hatred and calling people names leads to peace.

I'm especially against the anti racist anti sexist crowd, who think they are promoting peace, because of their irrational hatred of anyone who disagrees with them. The right to free speech and free thought are being threatened.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

Oh dont worry. You are paying for it.

Whats your user name on the Landover Babtist web site? I would be curious to see what you write there. Or do you follow Fred Phelps? I am just trying to get your angle. Paying for it huh? Well I suppose.....with my time wasted reading it.