Logic about same race marriage

[Blackguard_]

People race mixing would (will) most probably revert back to what Adam and Eve looked like.......

The bible says God created man in his own image. The reason we all look different today is because He was good enough to allow after many generations a population to develop certain traits to adapt to the climate of origin. Yeah...natural selection. Now that we don't absolutely need those traits because of SHELTER being readily available etc....what is the big deal if the races mix? There is no big deal! The pasty white guy can buy a house in Africa to live with his black wife and not be in the sun all day to burn.

So green-eyes and fair-skin are to bred out in order to return to the Master Race of Adam of Eve created in God's image because we have sunglasses and sunscreen?

So, White , Black, Persian, Indian, Japanese etc. people are not created in God's image and should be bred out to return to the Master Race of Adam and Eve?

This view sounds just as racist as Kasey's

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Because that is the danger of race mixing, that they will dilute your clture, in this case the jewish religion. foreign was almost synomomous with non-jewish. The issue was the religion of the forign people, not their race.

THis is the ONLY valid arguement I have heard for the "other side" Our cultures are beautiful and diverse and there is something to be said for retaining the beauty and differences. HOWEVER I think it is wrong to tell someone who is in love with another that it is UNBIBLICAL to be with that person, based on race.

You cannot always help who you love. As long as they match your faith....we should let them be in peace, and offer our support if need be...

 

[U R my Sonshine]

So green-eyes and fair-skin are an abomination to bred out in order to return to the Master Race of Adam of Eve created in God's image because we have sunglasses and sunscreen?

So, White , Black, Persian, Indian, Japanese etc. people are not created in God's image and should be bred out to return to the Master Race of Adam and Eve?

This view sounds just as racist as Kasey's.

NOOOOO! You misunderstand!! We are all created in God's image. They were most certainly not white (Adam and Eve) he just allowed us to adapt to our enviroments. I am saying if all the races just began breeding we would all end up looking alike (fine with me BTW) probably like adam and eve looked. Probably rather dark complected.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Blackguard...I wanted to add that I am sorry you thought I meant any race would be superior. That is the furthest from my intentions. I was merely decribing an evolutionary "bell curve" if you will, of our distinctly differnet races. I hope that is more clear....

to add...
I am sorry if my post hurt you. I really didn't mean it the way you took it. I don't think Adam and Eve were the master race....far from it...I think God improved all of us to be in a certain geographical locatation. If we keep mixing it will probably end up with what Adam and eve started as. Not intended to be racist at all...just trying to see what kasey was "defining" as race.

 

[Blackguard_]

NOOOOO! You misunderstand!!

Good, although what you said was a bit odd.

We are all created in God's image.

Right, so why shouldn't all the races, being created in God's image, be preserved?

They were most certainly not white (Adam and Eve)

Probably not. Who kkows what race they were?

he just allowed us to adapt to our enviroments.

So the races were not created in God's image, they just evolved? I think God made the races deliberately.

I am saying if all the races just began breeding we would all end up looking alike (fine with me BTW)

But not really with me. Is this something would like to see happen or would you be fine if the races were preserved instead of mixing?

probably like adam and eve looked. Probably rather dark complected

Edit: Yeah, Adam and Eve probably were a mix in order to populate the world with many races.

 

[Blackguard_]

Blackguard...I wanted to add that I am sorry you thought I meant any race would be superior.

Ok. I just take any argumets we should mix to just as racist as saying we shouldn't, and mistook your post as saying we should mix back to Adam and Eve's race.
Sorry to jump on you.

That is the furthest from my intentions. I was merely decribing an evolutionary "bell curve" if you will, of our distinctly differnet races. I hope that is more clear....

Yes, that's mor clear, although I hope this bell-curve does not exist.

to add...
I am sorry if my post hurt you. I really didn't mean it the way you took it.

Don't worry I didn't take offense. And I apoligize for being too hasty in my assesent of your view.

I don't think Adam and Eve were the master race....far from it...I think God improved all of us to be in a certain geographical locatation.

OK

If we keep mixing it will probably end up with what Adam and eve started as. Not intended to be racist at all...just trying to see what kasey was "defining" as race.

OK. Yeah its tough to define race as it can get blurry on the edges.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

Good, although what you said was a bit odd.



Right, so why shouldn't all the races, being created in God's image, be preserved?



Probably not. Who kkows what race they were?



So the races were not created in God's image, they just evolved? I think God made the races deliberately.


But not really with me. Is this something would like to see happen or would you be fine if the races were preserved instead of mixing?


But how do you know what race A and E were? Maybe they were not simply a mix like your dog example? Even if they were, I do not think that's an argument for mixing back into the one race, since to populate the world with many races from 2 people would require the 2 to be a mix right?

Honestly...I am fine with the diversity as well. I appreciate different cultures very much. I think God deliberately made us differently for our environments and it doesn't hurt to mix now because we have "ways around" the environment.

So If I had fallen in love with a Hispanic...I would most likely care more about HIM than preserving the race. I happen to have married a very blond nordic type...but had I fallen for another I wouldn't have ruled him out because of skin color or culture (unless he wasn't christian)

Do I want the races all looking alike....I guess I don't have an opinion. I guess I feel you can't dictate who people love and marry. I appreciate the African cultures, Hispanic cultures...all cultures. My two degrees are in Zoology and Foreign languages....so this area is kind of "dear to me". While I think it would be a shame to have all cultures one...at the same time it is a shame to tell a christian couple in love that they are "unbiblical" because of their heritage. So there is my luke warm answer...but it is from my heart...all Political correctness aside.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

OK. Yeah its tough to define race as it can get blurry on the edges.

Oh it sure can

Really each culture is special and beautiful. It is nice to see a really beautiful black woman with all her rich african features unadulterated. Or on the other hand a beautiful Thai lady with carmel skin and beautiful black hair. I don't think we should all be alike...or SEARCH out purposely another race just to make a point or to be "cool" ...but goodness if you genuinley fall in love with the person...you can embrace their differnences and grow together...and still have beautiful children.

 

[Blackguard_]

I think God deliberately made us differently for our environments and it doesn't hurt to mix now because we have "ways around" the environment.

I don't think God made us different only for our envioment. If true, it seems you could do away with white and black people as Mongoloids seem to thrive everywhere.

Do I want the races all looking alike....I guess I don't have an opinion. I guess I feel you can't dictate who people love and marry. I appreciate the African cultures, Hispanic cultures...all cultures. My two degrees are in Zoology and Foreign languages....so this area is kind of "dear to me". While I think it would be a shame to have all cultures one...at the same time it is a shame to tell a christian couple in love that they are "unbiblical" because of their heritage. So there is my luke warm answer...but it is from my heart...all Political correctness aside.

That's about how I feel, the conumdrum of wanting and appreciating diversity but not being able to tell people its wrong to mix into one.

 

[U R my Sonshine]

That's about how I feel, the conumdrum of wanting and appreciating diversity but not being able to tell people its wrong to mix into one.

I hear ya.

 

[Kasey]

Tell me how you define race then. You keep saying that it can be done. You also told me that you do not base it on skin tone alone. So tell me, how do you define race? If you will not do this, I can not have an intelligible discourse with you over the matter. How can I show that you are wrong about something that you can not even define?

Main Entry: 3race
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by community of interests, habits, or characteristics ****e English race>
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

This is how I define race. This can be applied to animals and plant life and can be applied to human beings. Now, when talking about generalization, as in blacks and whites, the matter boils down to skin tone, eyes, hair, the shapes and composition of the eyes and hair as white people have the most variety as they are able to have blue, green, brown and black eyes while black people never have blue or green eyes naturally but only through the product of mixing their race with whites. It also goes down to the phyisical, general composition of the bone structure and the features of the body as well as the face and how the differ, generally, from whites.

ITs just like you have with a lion and a cheetah. Both are felines, but their physical composition is what literally sets them apart the most. They have difference in physical bone structure, facial features, skin and all of that. Why is it so hard to do with humans?

 

[Blackguard_]

Really each culture is special and beautiful. It is nice to see a really beautiful black woman with all her rich african features unadulterated. Or on the other hand a beautiful Thai lady with carmel skin and beautiful black hair. I don't think we should all be alike...or SEARCH out purposely another race just to make a point or to be "cool" ...but goodness if you genuinley fall in love with the person...you can embrace their differnences and grow together...and still have beautiful children.

Well said.

Why is it so hard to do with humans?

Because of blurred edges. Sure any idiot can tell a guy from England with light brown hair and and blue eyes and sharp feautures is white, and a guy from CHina with a flat nose, squinty(sorry, don't know the technical term) eyes and caramel skin is "Asian". But it is harder to distinquish say, Persians from darker Italians.

So, is that green-eyed Afghan girl in that famous National Geographic photo white, or just near white, how can you tell which she is? Or how about really high caste Indians who often have blue or green eyes and fair skin?

I bet if I mixed up some photos of Medditerabean Whites like Italians with somelPersians you would have a hard time picking them out without some serious study of Physical Anthropology.

 

[Kasey]

Well said.

So, is that green-eyed Afghan girl in that famous National Geographic photo white? Or how about really high caste Indians who often have blue or green eyes and fair skin?

Do you have the links that would show about these people your talking about?

 

[The Seeker]

Kasey, you never answered my question:

Is ginger a race? Gingers have many distinguishing traits, light skin, green eyes (very common among gingers), heavy freckling, etc.

 

[Blackguard_]

The afghan girl

http://elouai.com/pictures_afghan_girl.php

Some Indian actress photos you can browse through. Many of them you would think were white if you saw them on the street or if they said they were from a country in Europe like Spain or Italy.

http://cuteninz.tripod.com/actresses.html

 

[Kasey]

Because that is the danger of race mixing, that they will dilute your clture, in this case the jewish religion. foreign was almost synomomous with non-jewish. The issue was the religion of the forign people, not their race.

Your ignoring Nehemiah 13:27. Its against God to marry "strange" or "non-relative" wives as in the Hebrew. Its not talking about cultures. The mixture of cultures comes after the mixing of the races.

So I guess according to Neh 13:3, Jesus's should have been kicked out, being desended from the foreigners Ruth and Rahab? In verse 1 the Ammonites and Moabites are specifically banned, not everyone of foreign descent. Were these Amommonites and Moabites non-Jewish foreigners living in Isreal, or coverts and the jewish descendents of non-jewish foreigners that suddenly found themselves kicked out? If the second, so much for "if you draw near to me, I'll draw near to you".

If you actually study the Bible, you would know that Ruth is descended Shem just as Abrahman, Isaac and Jacob were. Ruth is descended from the Moabites, which were from Lot and His two daughters and Lot was from Shem just as Abraham was and because the Bible teaches that Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth, this means that all of these people wre from a specific race of human beings.

I'm curious as to how you explain Ruth and Rahab, and other foreigners becoming jews and even being included in Jesus's lineage?

First of all, the BIble is not Jewish - The Babylonian Talmud and The Kabbalah are Jewish and therefore, people who study and apply those two things to their llives are considered "jews". They will tell you this in their own books even.

Secondly, you should take a look at Isaiah 56:6. The Hebrew word for "stranger" there is the Hebrew word "nekar" and according to Strong's COncordance it means someone foreign, alien. Ruth, according to the context of the specific lineage of the Israelites from Shem, would be considered foriegn. However, she was still of that same race of people even though she was specifically apart of the Israelite lineage. Yet, according ot this passage, if she basically gave alliegiance to God, she would be considered as an Israelite.

Like I said earlier - it goes all the way back to the erroneous belief that Adam and Eve were the first people on earth and that they supposedly were the progeniters of mankind. Not so. If you like, I would gladly give the evidence for that as well.

 

[Kasey]

The afghan girl

http://elouai.com/pictures_afghan_girl.php

The Afgan girl looks Adamite though not particularly Israelite. So, yes, I would say she is white.

Some Indian actress photos you can browse through. Many of them you would think were white if you saw them on the street or if they said they were from a country in Europe like Spain or Italy.

http://cuteninz.tripod.com/actresses.html

I browsed through them and i would have to say no. The features on some fo the women are similar to white, but not quite.

 

[southernmissfan]

Like I said earlier - it goes all the way back to the erroneous belief that Adam and Eve were the first people on earth and that they supposedly were the progeniters of mankind. Not so. If you like, I would gladly give the evidence for that as well.

I think we're all waiting for it. Oh, and links to "White Stormtrooper's Front" or other nonsense just won't cut it. Thanks.

 

[Blackguard_]

The Afgan girl looks Adamite though not particularly Israelite. So, yes, I would say she is white.

"Adamite"? "Israelite"? This sounds like Christian Identity, is it?

Not neccessarily, she doesn look particularly Adamite nor Israelite. However, do you have some pictures with a close-up of the face like the one of the Afgan girl?

Oh, I didn't mean her specifically, I meant the photo archive on the green bar. urmila matondkar(the last one) is a good example of what I mean. And preity zinta too. I Can't find the URL to link directly to the galleries though

 

[Kasey]

"Adamite"? "Israelite"? This sounds like Christian Identity, is it?

Christian Identity sounds similar yes, but I dont associate myself with them. They tend to be fanatical and un-biblical. However, the termss Adamite and Israelites are applicable in the sense that Adam and Eve were not the first humans on earth.

Oh, I didn't mean her specifically, I meant the photo archive on the green bar. urmila matondkar(the last one) is a good example of what I mean. And preity zinta too. I Can't find the URL to link directly to the galleries though

The first one, Urmila, defineately not. However, the second one is more difficult and it would be better if I could see pictures of her parents.