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Really curious about what the Bible/EGW says about living together before marriage where no sexual activity (supposedly) is involved. I tried looking it up at CreedMe.com (among other places that give out religious beliefs) but was unable to finalize an opinion. I also went though all of EGW's online searchable documents and found little on the topic. Even the young lovers message section had little. Any help is appreaciated
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Really curious about what the Bible/EGW says about living together before marriage where no sexual activity (supposedly) is involved. I tried looking it up at CreedMe.com (among other places that give out religious beliefs) but was unable to finalize an opinion. I also went though all of EGW's online searchable documents and found little on the topic. Even the young lovers message section had little. Any help is appreaciated
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Is it possible to live in an unmarried situation with the opposite sex and not have sexual relations with them - SURE.

BUT, I believe a person puts themselves into a situation where temptation is just waiting to take advantage of the situation.

The Bible also tells us that we "should avoid the appearance of evil." I think that this falls into that category.

Also, check out Matt. 26:41
 
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The Bible also tells us that we "should avoid the appearance of evil." I think that this falls into that category.

Also, check out Matt. 26:41
That is a misuse of that admonition. A temptation is not equal to an appearance of evil.
 
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That is a misuse of that admonition. A temptation is not equal to an appearance of evil.

In your opinion.

The fact that a person should try and avoid the temptation and avoid the appearance of evil are both valid.
 
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MVA--even though Senti totally missed the intent of your comment about the 'very appearance of evil'---I know what it means and you are point on in your reasoning of this text.

Thanks for having my back. :thumbsup:
 
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The appearance of evil here is that most people wouldn't believe there wasn't fornication going on, and most people would come to that conclusion from personal experience.

Surely we all know that a potential lover living within your own walls would create a more tempting environment to fornicate in than having an internet boyfriend in Afghanistan or something.
 
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15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. 16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
25 Brethren, pray for us.
 
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The Bible defines taking residence together AS marriage. Read Genesis 2:24 lately?
"Living together before marriage" therefore does not actually exist. It bes merely a man-made construct based upon a man-made delusion that man-made structures and shibboleths and ceremonies constitute marriage when according to scripture (Genesis 2:24) they do not.

Jesus went back to the Beginning to get the low-down on marriage, so why should we go another route and pretend it bes "Christian"??? Leave parental domicile, make new domicile with life-partner, and voila: marriage. At least, according to scripture.
 
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Ah, "personal experience" -- "I couldn't help myself," or "I knew somebody--", so you can't help yourself either." This is the same reasoning used (poorly) in discussions of occasional drinking.

As much as we're encouraged to shun the appearance of evil (would that include the appearance of segregation? No?), we're also encouraged to challenge false assumptions, assumptions that falsely claim moral or salvific authority. Paul spied Peter dissembling and rather than allow the good brethren to assume righteousness was being flouted, Paul set the record straight and kept doing what he was doing.

If I was reasoning with a real-live couple, I'd have to ask them if they had a super good reason for living together without committing for life. Expectations for a relationship go way up when you are in close quarters. And so do costs. If money is the reason, they might be surprised to find it would be cheaper to wed and make this discussion moot.

Btw, thanks to technology, a boyfriend's being in Afghanistan is no barrier to overintimacy. Anybody under a certain age should be aware of that.
 
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Some people asked Billy Graham similar questions:


Q: Our son says he can't see anything wrong with living with his girlfriend, which is what he's planning to do. He says they'll probably get married some day, but living together has become so common that he doesn't think we ought to get upset. What would you say to him? — Mrs. M.W.


A: Dear Mrs. M.W.,
One thing I'd probably tell him is that he would only be hurting himself by doing this—even if he doesn't realize it right now.

Why do I say this? The reason is because this kind of relationship provides a very weak foundation for his future marriage. You see, the one thing that's missing in a relationship like this is commitment. At any time, either one of them could simply walk away, because neither of them really would be committed to the other person. But if they don't take marriage seriously now, what reason is there to think they will take it seriously once they are married?

Marriage involves commitment—a solemn vow of a husband and wife to be faithful to each other for the rest of their lives. This vow isn't just between the two of them, but between them and God. This is why the Bible says, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh" (Matthew 19:5).

But I'd also want to point out to him that an even larger issue is at stake—and that is his relationship with God. Right now, he is turning his back on God and wants nothing to do with Him. But he needs God, both for this life and the next. Pray for your son, that he will face his sin and open his life to Christ.




Q: My boyfriend and I are living together right now. My parents are upset about this, but personally I don't see anything wrong with it. I know people in your generation might look down on things like this, but times change and no one thinks anything about it now. What do you think? — M.W.

Dear M.W.,
The real question isn't how your parents see this, or how your friends see it, or even how you see it. The real question is this: How does God see it? What is His attitude toward what you are doing?

I'm sure if we were talking you'd probably tell me you don't really care what God thinks—but shouldn't that be your real concern? God made you, and someday you must stand before Him and give an account of your life. God also gave marriage to us, and He doesn't want us to take it lightly. This is why one of the Ten Commandments says, "You shall not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14).

But God also loves you, and He knows what is best for you. One reason He gave marriage to us was to safeguard us from the dangers and unhappiness of this kind of relationship. You may feel happy right now, but one thing will always be missing—commitment. Without a firm commitment to each other—a commitment made before God and before others—your relationship will always be insecure and unstable. God has something better for you.

My prayer is that you will turn from your sins and open your heart to Jesus Christ. Jesus said, "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full" (John 10:10). Life's greatest joy comes from knowing Him and following Him—and this joy can be yours, as you give your life to Christ.



And from the BGEA Christian Guidance Department (a group of trained advisors and pastors):


Q: Is there anything wrong with living with my boyfriend if we plan to be married someday?


A: Living together without marriage is becoming more frequent as our society moves further and further from its religious and moral roots. We can assure you that you will never find lasting happiness by continuing to live this way.

For one thing, when you have this kind of relationship outside of a marriage covenant, you have no commitment—and without commitment, a full measure of trust and security does not exist. Love becomes little more than an emotional feeling toward each other, and when the emotions fade there is nothing to keep you together.

More than that, you are forgoing God’s lasting peace and satisfaction by refusing His best for your life. God has given marriage to us for our happiness and security, and when we follow His rules for sex and marriage we can experience real joy. When you treat love and sex casually you are going against His perfect plan, and it will inevitably bring unhappiness.

The Bible stresses: "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral" (Hebrews 13:4). The Bible also says that God so strongly condemns fornication and adultery that those who practice these sins will be excluded from God's kingdom (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). However, the Lord is willing to forgive such sins and transform the lives of those who have committed them (1 Corinthians 6:11).

We urge you to surrender to Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord and trust Him to forgive and cleanse you from your sins. This is what it means to become a Christian. The Holy Spirit then will live in your heart guiding and empowering you to honor God in every area of life.

The apostle Paul wrote, "I can do everything through him who gives me strength" (Philippians 4:13). You will need to separate from the one with whom you are living, recognizing that you have no right to live as husband and wife without marriage. You cannot, of course, have Christ as your Lord and continue in such a relationship. We would suggest that you seek the counsel of a pastor in your community for further support and direction.
 
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  • The Bible does not state man-made ceremonies or documentations to be required for marriage.
  • Genesis 2:24 states precisely what constitutes marriage.
  • Anything else bes human accretia -- not bad or wrong, but not necessary either, in the eyes of God.
  • In a nation without laws against cohabitation, this does not constitute breaking the laws of the land, either.
  • With regard to "render unto ceasar" however, it would be breaking laws to claim a spouse on tax forms without fulfilling the State's definitions of marriage.
  • But in the eyes of God, those living in accord with Genesis 2:24 happen to be ... married. As married as it gets.

Cheers. :wave:
 
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This is not a debate forum or is teaching allowed by non-members, the rules are clear on this as seen below:

Forum-Specific Guidelines for the Traditional Adventist Forum

The Congregation-Wide Guidelines apply to this forum. They outline the basic membership and debate guidelines for this forum. Additional guidelines are explained below.

Additional guidelines on debate:

  • The main Traditional Adventist forum is a fellowship forum. Non-members may post in fellowship and Adventist members may give answers to questions asked, in accordance with official church statements and the 28 Fundamental Beliefs.Questions that are likely to lead to debate should be asked in the Debate/Discussion subforum.
In case anyone is not clear on what 'fellowship post' is this should make it quiet clear:





Definition of a Fellowship post in the forum
DEFINITION OF A FELLOWSHIP POST

1) It is not debate or apologetics (defense).

Those who disagree with a congregation’s Statement of Faith will not discuss reasons for or against any subject being discussed on this sub-forum. This includes questions that essentially are rebuttal or argumentative in nature. Those who disagree will not engage in theological discussions that defend their particular point of view on scriptural, theological, doctrinal, social, or political issues.

2) It is not answering questions or teaching.

Only a member of the congregational forum may give answers to and instruct on doctrinal questions. While there may be many very good ideas on the subject from non-members, they may not give instruction. Earnest questions are always welcome, from anyone.

3) What Fellowship is:

Essentially fellowship is defined as the discussion of topics of association, of companionship - i.e. discussions of things like friends, family, work..... these topics are fellowship. Posts that offer friendship would certainly be described as fellowship.

Please respect the rules and the intent of this forum

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Who's debating? Everyone as far as it can see bes just sharing their thoughts on the subject. In fellowship, that bes what people do. *shrug*

Essentially fellowship is defined as the discussion of topics of association, of companionship - i.e. discussions of things like friends, family, work..... these topics are fellowship. Posts that offer friendship would certainly be described as fellowship.
Marriage falls under the category of association, companionship and family. Genesis 2:24 describes Biblical marriage perfectly. But if you don't want it to share its friendly fellowship with you on this subject, then fine -- buhbye.

p.s. As long as Moriah's name remains on the rosters of the SDA church it still qualifies as an SDA member, and therefore has the right to post here, sorry. If you wish this to change you may petition the general conference to strike its name from membership. if you wish to verify its name being on those books, it will gladly disclose its legal name to ONE unbiased staff member of CF NOT affiliated with this subforum who will sign an affidavit pledging to NOT leak its legal name to anyone else, and they may inquire.
 
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p.s. As long as Moriah's name remains on the rosters of the SDA church it still qualifies as an SDA member, and therefore has the right to post here, sorry. If you wish this to change you may petition the general conference to strike its name from membership. if you wish to verify its name being on those books, it will gladly disclose its legal name to ONE unbiased staff member of CF NOT affiliated with this subforum who will sign an affidavit pledging to NOT leak its legal name to anyone else, and they may inquire.
I think this fine point has been lost on many on the Traditional forum. They have forgotten the fact that membership in the Seventh-day Adventist church is defined by one's name being the books of any congregation that is a member of any sisterhood of churches in a conference or mission that is affiliated with the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists in Takoma Park, MD.
 
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Who's debating? Everyone as far as it can see bes just sharing their thoughts on the subject. In fellowship, that bes what people do. *shrug*

Marriage falls under the category of association, companionship and family. Genesis 2:24 describes Biblical marriage perfectly. But if you don't want it to share its friendly fellowship with you on this subject, then fine -- buhbye.

p.s. As long as Moriah's name remains on the rosters of the SDA church it still qualifies as an SDA member, and therefore has the right to post here, sorry. If you wish this to change you may petition the general conference to strike its name from membership. if you wish to verify its name being on those books, it will gladly disclose its legal name to ONE unbiased staff member of CF NOT affiliated with this subforum who will sign an affidavit pledging to NOT leak its legal name to anyone else, and they may inquire.

Teaching by non-members is against the rules....
"It is not answering questions or teaching.

Only a member of the congregational forum may give answers to and instruct on doctrinal questions. While there may be many very good ideas on the subject from non-members, they may not give instruction. Earnest questions are always welcome, from anyone."
 
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  • The Bible does not state man-made ceremonies or documentations to be required for marriage.
  • Genesis 2:24 states precisely what constitutes marriage.
  • Anything else bes human accretia -- not bad or wrong, but not necessary either, in the eyes of God.
  • In a nation without laws against cohabitation, this does not constitute breaking the laws of the land, either.
  • With regard to "render unto ceasar" however, it would be breaking laws to claim a spouse on tax forms without fulfilling the State's definitions of marriage.
  • But in the eyes of God, those living in accord with Genesis 2:24 happen to be ... married. As married as it gets.

Cheers. :wave:
Interesting post - thank you!

When we become more aware of the nature of union and focus less on the certificate of marriage, we will have better unions/marriages.
 
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