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Remus

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A lot of focus is put on a literal reading of Genesis, but from a YEC standpoint, Genesis isn’t the only reference to a six-day creation. As with any Bible verse that isn’t readily clear, we must find other scripture to clear up what is unclear. This brings us to one place in the Scripture that I find compelling.
Ex 20:11 said:
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
If you read the context of this verse, you’ll find that it is Moses directly quoting God as part of the Ten Commandments. Of course this requires a belief that Moses existed for it to be compelling.
 

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This is an excellent point. This verse means what it says that everything was created in 6 days. We know it is 6 literal 24 hour days because of the context. The creation week (6 literal days) is used as our model for a work week.

On a side not Jesus also makes it clear that the creation account was literal and there is NO evolution

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

But none of this will be enough reason for TEs. If you insist on hanging on to a pet theory, no amount of clear scripture will sway you...
 
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Personally, I am not Theistic Evolution. I am "Gap Theory".

(Exo 20:11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

made. Heb. 'asah, to do or make; has a wide variety of applications. This word is used in Gen. 1:7, 11, 12, 16, 25, 26.

But in Genesis 1:1 the word is bara', whose very meaning is not only to create, but that what was created was beautiful. The root, meaning to carve, plane, polish, implies both order and beauty.

Thus,

Genesis 1:1: we have a perfectly created world. Not created tohu (Isa 45:18)

Genesis 1:2: it becomes tohu, without form and void; it's destruction or overthrow; the katabole of the world that then was 2 Peter 3:6.

Genesis 1:3-31: the earth, and the things within and without, are 'asah, or appointed, prepared, etc.​
 
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mhess13 said:
This is an excellent point. This verse means what it says that everything was created in 6 days. We know it is 6 literal 24 hour days because of the context. The creation week (6 literal days) is used as our model for a work week.

Or the work week + sabbath is an imitative model of God's work + sabbath rest at creation. Why can't the work week + sabbath be a model in miniature of the real thing with each literal day of the week symbolizing a creative day of indeterminate length?


On a side not Jesus also makes it clear that the creation account was literal and there is NO evolution

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

What, in this passage, implies that the creation account was literal? All it says is that humanity was created male and female. I have no problem with that.
 
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Remus said:
A lot of focus is put on a literal reading of Genesis, but from a YEC standpoint, Genesis isn’t the only reference to a six-day creation. As with any Bible verse that isn’t readily clear, we must find other scripture to clear up what is unclear. This brings us to one place in the Scripture that I find compelling.

If you read the context of this verse, you’ll find that it is Moses directly quoting God as part of the Ten Commandments. Of course this requires a belief that Moses existed for it to be compelling.

Actually, if you compare the parallel passage in Deuteronomy, there is some question as to whether or not the reference to creation in 6 days is part of the commandment. The same commandment in Deuteronomy is justified by a reference to the slavery endured in Egypt.

So which was carved on the tablets? The reference to creation or the reference to slavery? Or maybe neither. Maybe what was written was "Remember the Sabbath day" + the elaboration of all those who are to rest and be given rest "you, your wife, your bondservant, your ox," etc.

Maybe in both cases, the verse justifying the Sabbath is commentary and not part of the actual commandment. Both justifications are logical, because the essence of the commandment is to remember the Sabbath (rest). Servants and working animals are to be given rest, just as the master and mistress of the household are to take rest-----just as, in Egypt, slaves were NOT given rest but made to labour without ceasing. God, who needs no rest, nevertheless rests from his work to provide us an example, because we, and those who labour for us, DO need rest. The emphasis is on Sabbath. That is what is commanded.
 
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The fact that God used the "six-work, one-rest" for years of crop rotation is important. God commanded that they only plant on a given field for six years and that they rest it on the seventh, specifically mentioning (IIRC) the "example" of the Creation account. This argues that the formula was just that, a formula that God was presenting to His people for their benefit. So the formula God gave needs to be applied to the particular situation. For man, it is days, since man needs to rest once every seven days, so God discusses it as "days" in the account of the creation for man's benefit. For land, it is years. It is relative. Now, what is the real relative time frame for God?

There is none. God is not bound by time.
 
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No, Jesus was in the tomb for three days. That is what the Scripture says and, unlike the creation account, there are no literary, interpretive, or evidentiary reasons not to believe it was three days.

And you do know, btw, that the age of the earth was deemed by geologists (Christian geologists) to be vastly old long BEFORE the theory of evolution came along, right?
 
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"Some scholars also argue against translating hayah "became" instead of "was" in Genesis 1:2 because they assume this interpretation came about only recently, after geology revealed the strata of the earth to be very old. Thus they consider this explanation a desperate attempt to reconcile the Genesis account with modern geology. The explanation that there existed an indefinite period between the initial beautiful creation described in Genesis 1:1 and the earth becoming waste and void in verse 2 has been called, sometimes disparagingly, "the gap theory." The idea was attributed to Thomas Chalmers in the 19th century and to Cyrus Scofield in the 20th.

Yet the interpretation that the earth "became" waste and void has been discussed for close to 2,000 years. The earliest known recorded controversy on this point can be attributed to Jewish sages at the beginning of the second century. The Hebrew scholars who wrote the Targum of Onkelos, the earliest of the Aramaic versions of the Old Testament, translated Genesis 1:2 as "and the earth was laid waste." The original language led them to understand that something had occurred that had "laid waste" the earth, and they interpreted this as a destruction.

The early Catholic theologian Origen (186-254), in his commentary De Principiis, explains regarding Genesis 1:2 that the original earth had been "cast downwards" (Ante-Nicene Fathers, 1917, p. 342).

In the Middle Ages the Flemish scholar Hugo St. Victor (1097-1141) wrote about Genesis 1:2: "Perhaps enough has already been debated about these matters thus far, if we add only this, 'how long did the world remain in this disorder before the regular re-ordering . . . of it was taken in hand?'" (De Sacramentis Christianae Fidei, Book 1, Part I, Chapter VI). Other medieval scholars, such as Dionysius Peavius and Pererius, also considered that there was an interval between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

According to The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, the Dutch scholar Simon Epíscopius (1583-1643) taught that the earth had originally been created before the six days of creation described in Genesis (1952, Vol. 3, p. 302). This was roughly 200 years before geology discovered evidence for the ancient origin of earth.

These numerous examples show us that the idea of an interval between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 has a long history. Any claim that it is of only recent origin-that it was invented simply as a desperate attempt to reconcile the Genesis account with geology-is groundless.

Perhaps the best treatment on both sides of this question is given by the late Arthur Custance in his book Without Form and Void: A Study of the Meaning of Genesis 1:2. Dr. Custance states, "To me, this issue is important, and after studying the problem for some thirty years and after reading everything I could lay my hands on pro and con and after accumulating in my own library some 300 commentaries on Genesis, the earliest being dated 1670, I am persuaded that there is, on the basis of the evidence, far more reason to translate Gen. 1:2 as 'But the earth had become a ruin and a desolation, etc.' than there is for any of the conventional translations in our modern versions" (1970, p. 7)."
 
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Here's another one.
Ex 31:12 - 13a said:
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites ... 'It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.'"
 
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GodSaves said:
Creation took six days. Creation is the beginning and in that beginning God created male and female.

Is that better clarification, or would you like me to elaborate?

Take Care and God Bless

Sure, but this is still no evidence the creation days were 24 hr solar days, and nothing Jesus said about male and female being created in the beginning speaks to that.
 
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gluadys said:
Sure, but this is still no evidence the creation days were 24 hr solar days, and nothing Jesus said about male and female being created in the beginning speaks to that.
Ah here you go. Now this is the type of argument that can be a valid one. No where in the Bible is their talk of evolution. But days could have been 24 hr, or an age. This I am not directly disputing. What I am disputing is the man evolved from some primative thing, then God plucked him and put him in the garden. It just doesn't go with Scripture and there is no Scriptural support.

Good point though Gluadys.

Take Care and God Bless
 
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