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Literal Mark?

Is the Mark Literal


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mark of the beast in Revelation 13, John sees a second beast coming out of the earth in verse 11. If this is not a literal beast actually coming out of a hole in the literal ground, then it is a symbol for something. The actions of this beast are to get people to serve and worship the first beast and place a mark on people’s right hands and foreheads by which they have economic access in society. If the reader begins seeing this as non-literal, a transition in the text would be needed to say that it is now moved to literal. Without this break, it is generally a good practice to carry the symbolism through the end of the thought. So that, one doesn’t say, “The first beast is symbolic, the second beast is symbolic, their actions are symbolic, the number of the beast 666 is symbolic, but the mark is literal.” Because the mark is situated within a symbolic narrative, it is more likely itself to be symbolic as well.
One can look at Jesus’ mark in Revelation 19 where certain words are written on his thigh and there is another mark on him that gives his name which people see, but they cannot read it. In this section, Jesus has two marks on his body. Are these literal? In the section he also has a sword coming out of his mouth. They are not like the literal marks on his hands and in his side to which he asks doubting Thomas to touch. If Jesus’ marks in Revelation are symbolic, and the mark on God’s followers are symbolic, then would it not be a more accurate guess to suggest that the mark of the beast is symbolic too? Is there anything in the text that gives good reason to suggest otherwise? I cannot find one. lemme ask you guys through poll and through this thread is the Mark Literal?
 

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They used to say the beast was a mamoth computer in Belgium. I guess they have moved on from that as t haven't heard that for a long time. If it is true what is dreamt up in the movies the mark has to be something that shows as without it you can't buy food.
Perhaps the sword in Jesus mouth is the sword of the spirit?. I think you can find truth in the symbols. I believe the scars in his hands and thigh is true because of the Cross. If you don't believe in that then you don't believe what happened to him on the cross.
 
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The mark is absolutely spiritual. Christians love to take everything literally until it comes time to sell everything you own and give it to the poor or, gouge your eye out if it causes you to sin, or cut you hand off. Why are those never literal?

The truth is, it's all spiritual. The beast is not a literal beast, I mean he is, but he's not.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth
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Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice,
Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

If you pay attention, you can see that the beasts around the throne are God's elect. They worship the lamb. A lamb is also a beast. The reason this is so, is because if you are flesh and blood, you are a beast. Christ was flesh and blood, he was also the form of a beast. We must overcome our beast nature, if we are not destined to do so in this present evil age, we have the mark of the beast, an must overcome the beast in the lake of fire.
 
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For years I thought the belief of a literal mark of the beast was kind of silly. I'm talking about all the notions of microchips, barcodes, tattoos etc. Even if if one is literal it is obedience to the Anti-Christ rather than God which is the problem and not the mark itself, the mark is just a sign of that.


As far as a literal thing, the only thing I think is somewhat like that are Koranic arm and head badges worn by ISIS. The Mark itself seems to be almost like a Satanic version of the Phylactery, which came from the OT verses that described "binding the word of God on your hand and forehead". But the real meaning of that verse was about having God's word reflected in our lives in thought, word and deed. But I think there is that kind of meaning when it comes to the mark of the beast. And in the case of ISIS/ ISIL the Koranic verses are a denial of Christian teaching (Denial of the Trinity, Incarnation, proclaiming Mohammed as the supreme prophet who is greater than Christ, Jesus sacrifice doesn't save dying in Jihad saves you and many of your relatives).
 
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It's also good to remember that we have both medical and scientific devices today that were not available in Biblical times, and would have been difficult for them to describe.
 
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mark of the beast in Revelation 13, John sees a second beast coming out of the earth in verse 11. If this is not a literal beast actually coming out of a hole in the literal ground, then it is a symbol for something. The actions of this beast are to get people to serve and worship the first beast and place a mark on people’s right hands and foreheads by which they have economic access in society. If the reader begins seeing this as non-literal, a transition in the text would be needed to say that it is now moved to literal. Without this break, it is generally a good practice to carry the symbolism through the end of the thought. So that, one doesn’t say, “The first beast is symbolic, the second beast is symbolic, their actions are symbolic, the number of the beast 666 is symbolic, but the mark is literal.” Because the mark is situated within a symbolic narrative, it is more likely itself to be symbolic as well.
One can look at Jesus’ mark in Revelation 19 where certain words are written on his thigh and there is another mark on him that gives his name which people see, but they cannot read it. In this section, Jesus has two marks on his body. Are these literal? In the section he also has a sword coming out of his mouth. They are not like the literal marks on his hands and in his side to which he asks doubting Thomas to touch. If Jesus’ marks in Revelation are symbolic, and the mark on God’s followers are symbolic, then would it not be a more accurate guess to suggest that the mark of the beast is symbolic too? Is there anything in the text that gives good reason to suggest otherwise? I cannot find one. lemme ask you guys through poll and through this thread is the Mark Literal?
I think the Mark clearly is not literal when looking at the context. I consider it to be a Satanic counterfeit of the Seal on the foreheads of the faithful. I think John intended us to see this, which is why the heavenly seal appears immediately after the description of the Mark. I also consider the hand/forehead thing to be a reference to Deuteronomy 6.

Since it is figurative, I think anyone can get it in any age by swearing allegiance to something anti-Christian. However, there also seems to be some sort of ultimate form given that it seems to appear only after the false prophet appears. Also, God often likes to embed His metaphors into physical representations. However, it doesn't need to be some sort of technology. Something like the yellow stars in Nazi Germany for Jews, but in reverse (ie unbelievers wear the Mark) would do the trick.

Either way, I don't think a physical form is necessary from the text considering that it is symbolic. It could go one way or the other.
 
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I dont believe the beast is a sigle person or nation. I think the beast is the world economy. I believe the vaccine card is a precursor to the mark. There are already reports of fake ID cards being sold on the black market so people can fly or get on cruise ships. Due to fake catds, it will be suggested by governments to get some sort of readable electronic device to prove they are vaccinated. It may an RFID, but I think it's Bill Gates patent number NWO20060606. Which is a quantum microdot tattoo of sorts that supports crypto-currency. All monetary systems will be replaced with crypto-crrency. The mark is invisible, but if you dont take it you will not be able to buy/sell from the beast (economy).
 
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mark of the beast in Revelation 13, John sees a second beast coming out of the earth in verse 11. If this is not a literal beast actually coming out of a hole in the literal ground, then it is a symbol for something. The actions of this beast are to get people to serve and worship the first beast and place a mark on people’s right hands and foreheads by which they have economic access in society. If the reader begins seeing this as non-literal, a transition in the text would be needed to say that it is now moved to literal. Without this break, it is generally a good practice to carry the symbolism through the end of the thought. So that, one doesn’t say, “The first beast is symbolic, the second beast is symbolic, their actions are symbolic, the number of the beast 666 is symbolic, but the mark is literal.” Because the mark is situated within a symbolic narrative, it is more likely itself to be symbolic as well.
One can look at Jesus’ mark in Revelation 19 where certain words are written on his thigh and there is another mark on him that gives his name which people see, but they cannot read it. In this section, Jesus has two marks on his body. Are these literal? In the section he also has a sword coming out of his mouth. They are not like the literal marks on his hands and in his side to which he asks doubting Thomas to touch. If Jesus’ marks in Revelation are symbolic, and the mark on God’s followers are symbolic, then would it not be a more accurate guess to suggest that the mark of the beast is symbolic too? Is there anything in the text that gives good reason to suggest otherwise? I cannot find one. lemme ask you guys through poll and through this thread is the Mark Literal?

The man of sin, or the beast is definitely literal, he is a real person. As we see here:

2Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And in Daniel:

Dan 11:31-37 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

We see the scripture is clear, he will be a man, a king, and ruler. Beasts in the bible represent kingdoms, possibly spiritual forces behind the kingdoms. But "the beast", will be a literal man; and he will require a mark of allegiance to his claim of godship.
 
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I cannot find one. lemme ask you guys through poll and through this thread is the Mark Literal?
Firstly, please consider that you have not got it completely right in what you are asking. It is not just mark of the beast.

It is mark of the beast's name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The mark of his (the beast's) name is literal. Since it must be on the right hand or forehead, as a requirement to buy or sell.

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

the mark of his name
or his name
or the number of his name

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The 666 is the number of his name.

Regarding Jesus, in the comparison you are making...

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

What is not known is where was the name written - did the name John saw written - was it on the diadem or was it written on Jesus's person?

Since the text does not say on His forehead - like the woman in Revelation 17:5 (on her forehead) - it is likely the name was written on the diadem (my rationale - I could be wrong).

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

John being the disciple who transmitted Revelation also wrote in the gospel of John...

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

....it appears to me that shrouded in that language is the mystery of no one knowing the meaning of the name (in Revelation 12:12) but Jesus Himself. And/or how to pronounce it.

Differently, it appears the name written on His thigh is more of a title rather than a personal name.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
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Back to the beast. UNLIKE, no one knowing the name that Jesus has in Revelation 12:12, the name of beast can be determined - from the number 666 as the main clue.

At this point in time, I personally don't know what the beast's name is.

The name has to be determined before the mark can be determined, imo.
 
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It's also good to remember that we have both medical and scientific devices today that were not available in Biblical times, and would have been difficult for them to describe.

Um... Revelation wasn't written by Nostradamus.
 
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They used to say the beast was a mamoth computer in Belgium. I guess they have moved on from that as t haven't heard that for a long time. If it is true what is dreamt up in the movies the mark has to be something that shows as without it you can't buy food.
Perhaps the sword in Jesus mouth is the sword of the spirit?. I think you can find truth in the symbols. I believe the scars in his hands and thigh is true because of the Cross. If you don't believe in that then you don't believe what happened to him on the cross.
using the word smbolic doesnt denote also it being literal to using literal doesnt mean its also symbolism using symbolism is a art in the bible that is also with literalism aswell
 
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Firstly, please consider that you have not got it completely right in what you are asking. It is not just mark of the beast.

It is mark of the beast's name.
when we say mark of the beast we are always referring to the mark of his name there isnt two marks yk so doesnt see the point of you typing this

the use of that can be interpreted in variety of ways many people views this spiritual, many view it as literal rational conclusions arent gonna answer my question fully and i already made the symbolism references.
In Deuteronomy 6:8 and Deuteronomy 11:18, God tells Israel that his laws are to be upon their hearts, that they are to bind them on their hands and foreheads. Although many Jews created phylacteries to be tied around their heads, the meaning of the command was clear to the Jews. God’s law was to be the defining factor of their life; their life was to be “marked” by God’s law. What they believed, (heads) and what they did (hands), both needed be completely formed by the law of God. The Jews carried this idea forward and was no doubt in the mind of the reader of Revelation, particularly those of Jewish descent.
This idea was captured in the apocalyptic sections of Ezekiel. This Ezekiel vision may have even set the foundational idea for how the “mark” was used in Revelation. In Ezekiel 9, the prophet sees a christophony (appearance of Jesus in the Old Testament), and Jesus is judging the idolatries of the nation of Israel. As the people were worshiping other gods and idols, an image of a man in linen appears. This man is holding a writing kit, and God calls out to him to go throughout the city and put a mark on the foreheads of those who were grieving at all the idolatry going on around them. Those without the mark were killed in the vision. Ezekiel was terrified by this vision because so many were killed by the wrath of God that he feared there would not be a remnant of Israel left.
In the New Testament, this idea of being marked by God with a kind of seal declaring one’s stance or identity was used in reference to the Holy Spirit. In Ephesians 1:13, it reads, “When you believed you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of his glory.” This passage points the Christians in Ephesus toward the final end of redemption and inheritance. This makes it eschatological (things dealing with the end times) in nature. As Paul describes the “end times” condition of believers, he offers security in fact that they have been marked with a seal. The seal is the Holy Spirit of God. This is not a literal marking. The Holy Spirit marks a person’s new identity in Christ. With this indwelling of the Spirit, worship becomes instinctive as the Spirit inside of him cries out with groans that words cannot express (Romans 8).
In Hebrews 10:16, the author offers a revision of the Deuteronomy teaching for those in Christ, explaining to them that, “Jesus will write his laws upon their hearts.” It’s a symbolic way of saying that our deepest commitments are to the Lord which inevitably create a difference from the world. Our beliefs and our life’s behavior set us apart from those whose lives are marked by the evil of this world, a world that will always do one of two things, either persecute the believer, or lure in the believer. The believers to which Hebrews is referring chose for their lives to be marked by the gospel, not by the world, and this is the group that’s going to be saved from the wrath of God.
The word of God talks about being marked by God and being marked by the world. The nature of these marks are issues of the heart denoting one’s identity and direction in life.


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18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The 666 is the number of his name.

Regarding Jesus, in the comparison you are making...

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

What is not known is where was the name written - did the name John saw written - was it on the diadem or was it written on Jesus's person?

Since the text does not say on His forehead - like the woman in Revelation 17:5 (on her forehead) - it is likely the name was written on the diadem (my rationale - I could be wrong).

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

John being the disciple who transmitted Revelation also wrote in the gospel of John...
Everyone knows John wrote the Gospel i see no point of you quoting John 1:1 thats a pointless assertion and yes 666 is the number of his name viewing it literal gotta be explained alot more.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

....it appears to me that shrouded in that language is the mystery of no one knowing the meaning of the name (in Revelation 12:12) but Jesus Himself. And/or how to pronounce it.

Differently, it appears the name written on His thigh is more of a title rather than a personal name.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
___________________________________________

Back to the beast. UNLIKE, no one knowing the name that Jesus has in Revelation 12:12, the name of beast can be determined - from the number 666 as the main clue.
At this point in time, I personally don't know what the beast's name is.

The name has to be determined before the mark can be determined, imo.
interesting the beast name is the way you determinate the mark interesting thanks for you response.
 
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The "mark" will come in two or three forms* and must be visible in order to conduct business.

Observations About The Mark Of The Beast...

*Not all of them will have the hidden numerical feature.
thats a conclusion
It is helpful to recognize that the language describing the mark of the beast is
more rooted in the OT than in first-century conditions. This allows us to keep the
exegesis of the text, rather than questionable historical reconstructions, as the
controhg guide in our interpretations. John draws on the OT imagery and
symbolism of what can be called "sign-cornmandrnents." In the OT, several
commandments are designated as "signs." These include circumcision (Gen
17:ll); the Feast of Unleavened Bread and the law of the firstborn, both ofwhich
are signs on the hand and forehead (Exod 13: 9, 16); and the Sabbath (Exod
31:13,17; Ezek 20:12,20). These are specific practices or commandments that
God gives and identifies as "signs." In companion passages in Deuteronomy, there is a shift of focus. Instead of specific individual commandments as signs, we find that the keeping of all of God's regulations (in obedience to the great command to love God with the whole person [Deut 6:4; 10:12; 11:1,13,22]) is sign on the hand and forehead (Deut 623; 11:18-21). Here stress is laid on the
people's actively binding the commandments as signs on their hands and
foreheads. The context, however, is not simply dutiful commandment-keeping in general, but the people's exclusive loyalty to the one true God."Examination of the passages in Genesis and Exodus reveals that specified sign commandments share the following characteristics:
experience with God and remind the one observing them of this event. The feast of unleavened bread is described as a "reminder" on the forehead of the Exodus deliverance (Exod 13:9). It especially serves to remind the next generation (Exod 13:8,14). Second, sign commandments are identifying signs or symbols of a special relationship between God and the keeper. They are a "sign of the covenant
between me and YOU'' (Gen 17:11); a "sign between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made the heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed" (Exod 31:21); and a sign that "with a strong hand theLord brought you out of Egypt" (Exod 13:9). They perform an important role inoutwardly identifying"who" the worshiped God is and "who" the worshipers are. Third, sign commandments are "ceremonial" or "ritual' in nature. Unlike some "moral" commands that simply forbid an action (e.g., 'You shall not steal"), sign
commands entail some ritualized action of obedience and worship. One keeps the commandment by performing some act. This in particular enables them to
function as observable signs. The sign-commandment passages in Deut 6 and 11 are also concerned about remembering God, identifymg the relationship between YHWH and his people to the exclusion of other gods, and the active performance of laws specific to YHWH and not simply the prohibition of immoral conduct. How, then, does God place signs on hs people's hands and foreheads? The answer would not claim that God literally or physically marks people, but rather God gives his people a religious commandment or worship practice to keep. Thats a brief summary helps us understand how the Sabbath functions as the sign
commandment for the whole Covenant (Exod 31:12,17). First, in Exod 20:8-11,the Sabbath is about remembering God's act of creation. Second, the Sabbath identifies the Israelite God as YHWH the Creator and the people as worshipers of this universal Creator God. Third, the Sabbath includes a "ritualized" element that involves setting apart the seventh day as a holy rest day for God.'' The declaration of the Sabbath as a sign is the last thing God says to Moses before handing him the Decalogue (Exod 3 1 : 1 7,18) and the &st thing after giving a new
copy of the Decalogue (Exod 35:l-3). The Sabbath is the sign commandment of the Covenant and appropriately sits in the heart of the Decalogue. The mark of the beast reveals several similarities to a sign commandment. First, the mark explicitly draws on the placement imagery of hands and forehead (Rev 13:16).13 Second, as with sign commandments, the mark of the beast
identifies that the wearer and keeper are in a relationship of obedience to the beast. This sense of identification is of great importance in Revelation, because whoever is identified is also protected. Those marked by the beast and worshiping him will not face his economic boycott and death threats (Rev 13:15-17). In parallel fashion, those sealed by God will be preserved from the wrath of God (Rev 7:l-3; 9:4).15 Thlrd, just as the essence of an OT sign commandment included obedience that involved a ceremonial element, so the mark appears to be a command that involves participation in some manner of ritualized worship. The mark is always connected with the worship of the beast and its image, and is the sign of this very worship (Rev 13:12-16; 14:9-11). Thus the beast marks people on the forehead and hand in the same way God does in the OT, by giving or enforcing a worship practice or commandment. The visions of Rev 12-1 5 provide the context for the mark of the beast and contain three lines of evidence supporting the identification of the mark as a sign commandment. These chapters also narrow the focus on commandments to the first table of the Decalogue, and the Sabbath in particular. fis is a strong foundation for the identification of the mark as a parody of the Sabbath. The first line of evidence looks at the significance of the heavenly scenes of 11 :I 9 and l5:l8, which form the boundaries of the vision discussing the mark. The second he of evidence looks at the language of "commandments" in chapters 12 and 14. The hd line of evidence involves discerning two patterns within chapters 12 and 13 that further reinforce a focus on the Ten Commandments and sharpen this focus on the Sabbath sign commandment.
 
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The man of sin, or the beast is definitely literal, he is a real person. As we see here:

2Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And in Daniel:

Dan 11:31-37 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

We see the scripture is clear, he will be a man, a king, and ruler. Beasts in the bible represent kingdoms, possibly spiritual forces behind the kingdoms. But "the beast", will be a literal man; and he will require a mark of allegiance to his claim of godship.
many and i mean quite a high amount of christans dont hold a literal man but a literal mark its quite interesting that the Antichrist is literal, and correction many people do hold that the antichrist would do just that
In Rev 13:7, the first beast is a combination of leopard, bear, and lion. In the Hebrew Bible, precedent animal imagery is found in Dan 7:1-8, where a series of four mythic beasts emerge from the sea: a lion with eagle’s wings (Dan 7:4), a bear-like creature with terrifying teeth (Dan 7:5), and a four-headed, four-winged leopard-like creature that is given “dominion” (Dan 7:6). Following the first three creatures, a fourth beast arises, spouting ten horns, which often indicate power in ancient literature (Dan 7:7). As Daniel watches, a “little horn” emerges and three of the other horns are destroyed (Dan 7:8). Scholarly consensus is that the ten horns likely symbolize the Seleucid emperors who came to power in the wake of the fall of the Persian Empire, while the “little horn” is a coded way to discuss Antiochus Epiphanes IV, who is remembered for his tyrannical rule and how he desecrated the Temple in Jerusalem.
According to scholars, the hybrid creatures are borrowed from Babylonian imagery. Other explanations focus on the predatory nature of the animals, which is a coded reference to the dangerous empires they represent. Alternatively, perhaps such unnatural combinations demonstrate how these empires are the antithesis of God’s orderly creation. That the strange beasts are symbolic tropes and so not expected to actually rise out of the sea is made abundantly clear when Daniel asks a divine attendant to explain them: the beasts are the four empires that will eventually be destroyed by Yahweh (Dan 7:15-28).
 
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I dont believe the beast is a sigle person or nation. I think the beast is the world economy. I believe the vaccine card is a precursor to the mark. There are already reports of fake ID cards being sold on the black market so people can fly or get on cruise ships. Due to fake catds, it will be suggested by governments to get some sort of readable electronic device to prove they are vaccinated. It may an RFID, but I think it's Bill Gates patent number NWO20060606. Which is a quantum microdot tattoo of sorts that supports crypto-currency. All monetary systems will be replaced with crypto-crrency. The mark is invisible, but if you dont take it you will not be able to buy/sell from the beast (economy).
and how is Gods people not already marked by him isnt it in the bible that we are marked by God in our hearts (1 Corinthians 1:22)
are you insinuating that we can lose our mark from God, and take the "invisible" mark from the beast?
 
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The mark is absolutely spiritual. Christians love to take everything literally until it comes time to sell everything you own and give it to the poor or, gouge your eye out if it causes you to sin, or cut you hand off. Why are those never literal?

The truth is, it's all spiritual. The beast is not a literal beast, I mean he is, but he's not.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth
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Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice,
Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

If you pay attention, you can see that the beasts around the throne are God's elect. They worship the lamb. A lamb is also a beast. The reason this is so, is because if you are flesh and blood, you are a beast. Christ was flesh and blood, he was also the form of a beast. We must overcome our beast nature, if we are not destined to do so in this present evil age, we have the mark of the beast, an must overcome the beast in the lake of fire.
i hold too that aswell haha and the reason i study so hard on the mark because 1 Corinthians 1:22 it wouldnt make sense to lose the seal from God so i studied it in a different perspective.
 
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It's also good to remember that we have both medical and scientific devices today that were not available in Biblical times, and would have been difficult for them to describe.
Revelation is inspired by a an apostle so im pretty sure he wrote it exactly how God wanted it to be described.
 
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I think the Mark clearly is not literal when looking at the context. I consider it to be a Satanic counterfeit of the Seal on the foreheads of the faithful. I think John intended us to see this, which is why the heavenly seal appears immediately after the description of the Mark. I also consider the hand/forehead thing to be a reference to Deuteronomy 6.

Since it is figurative, I think anyone can get it in any age by swearing allegiance to something anti-Christian. However, there also seems to be some sort of ultimate form given that it seems to appear only after the false prophet appears. Also, God often likes to embed His metaphors into physical representations. However, it doesn't need to be some sort of technology. Something like the yellow stars in Nazi Germany for Jews, but in reverse (ie unbelievers wear the Mark) would do the trick.

Either way, I don't think a physical form is necessary from the text considering that it is symbolic. It could go one way or the other.
interesting response Deuteronomy 6 is a popular view for the mark nowadays with scholarship did you get this view from scholars or you studied it yourself
 
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interesting the beast name is the way you determinate the mark interesting thanks for you response.
The mark of _____________. Fill in the name of the person, and you can go from there.
 
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