Literal Mark?

[dóxatotheó]

You listed 4 entities. Call them what you want, still 4.

fax his substantiation even made 4 entities

 

[Douggg]

interesting and can you go through a detailed explanation of your beleifs cause it seem that you believe 4 person to the beasts

not 4 persons - 4 (actually 5) referrals to the one person.

the little horn
the prince who shall come
the Antichrist
the revealed man of sin
the beast

Starts as the little horn, leader of the EU.

After coming to power in Europe, the Gog/Magog event appears on the near horizon. The little horn stages his EU army in Greece (the territory of one Alexander's four break up kingdoms) as a deterrent, in hopes of stopping the invasion attack from happening.

It does not stop the invasion attack on Israel though. Which God Himself supernaturally destroys Gog's army.

In the aftermath, the little horn person brings his EU army into the middle east, i.e. the prince who shall come, on the guise to act as peace keeper in the region (and also secure all of the oil rich territory in the middle east).

The Jews hyped about the destruction of Gog's army, and Islam's desire to drive Israel into the sea, will have messiah fever in that day because they expect the messiah following Gog/Magog.

The little horn person will appear to them as being that guy.

The false prophet will also surface about that same time and anoint the person as the King of Israel - so the person becomes the Antichrist at that point. And the world will think it has entered the messianic age - saying the peace and safety in 1Thessalonians5.

Three years go by - during which there will be a great falling away in Christianity that Jesus is the messiah, thinking that the Jews were right all along.

When totally unexpected, the thought to be messiah stops the daily sacrifice, goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.

The Jews will be horrified. They will reject his claim and him continuing as their King of Israel. End of his time as Antichrist. Beginning of his time as the revealed man of sin.

From Ezekiel 28:1-10, it appears that the revealed man of sin will be assassinated for his audacious act.

There will be a global broadcast of his funeral, as his soul is in hell mocked, in Isaiah 14. But God in disdain for the person, brings the person back to life. The strong delusion in 2Thessalonians2 that God sends to them who believe his claim of having achieved God-hood.

With all cameras on his open casket, the person sits up, alive as the entire world will see it happen. At that point, he has become the beast, because the unclean spirit of the serpent literal beast from the garden of eden is allowed to come out of the bottomless pit to possess him.

The person is the beast for the 42 month remainder of the 7 years, after he kills the two witnesses in Revelation 11. The 10 EU kings, which were in power back when he first rose to power as the little horn, will hand their EU kingdom over to him to be "dictator" for the remainder of his time - until Jesus returns to cast him into the lake of fire.

 

[dóxatotheó]

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not 4 persons - 4 (actually 5) referrals to the one person.

the little horn
the prince who shall come
the Antichrist
the revealed man of sin
the beast

Starts as the little horn, leader of the EU.

After coming to power in Europe, the Gog/Magog event appears on the near horizon. The little horn stages his EU army in Greece (the territory of one Alexander's four break up kingdoms) as a deterrent, in hopes of stopping the invasion attack from happening.

It does not stop the invasion attack on Israel though. Which God Himself supernaturally destroys Gog's army.

In the aftermath, the little horn person brings his EU army into the middle east, i.e. the prince who shall come, on the guise to act as peace keeper in the region (and also secure all of the oil rich territory in the middle east).

The Jews hyped about the destruction of Gog's army, and Islam's desire to drive Israel into the sea, will have messiah fever in that day because they expect the messiah following Gog/Magog.

The little horn person will appear to them as being that guy.

The false prophet will also surface about that same time and anoint the person as the King of Israel - so the person becomes the Antichrist at that point. And the world will think it has entered the messianic age - saying the peace and safety in 1Thessalonians5.

Three years go by - during which there will be a great falling away in Christianity that Jesus is the messiah, thinking that the Jews were right all along.

When totally unexpected, the thought to be messiah stops the daily sacrifice, goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood.

The Jews will be horrified. They will reject his claim and him continuing as their King of Israel. End of his time as Antichrist. Beginning of his time as the revealed man of sin.

From Ezekiel 28:1-10, it appears that the revealed man of sin will be assassinated for his audacious act.

There will be a global broadcast of his funeral, as his soul is in hell mocked, in Isaiah 14. But God in disdain for the person, brings the person back to life. The strong delusion in 2Thessalonians2 that God sends to them who believe his claim of having achieved God-hood.

With all cameras on his open casket, the person sits up, alive as the entire world will see it happen. At that point, he has become the beast, because the unclean spirit of the serpent literal beast from the garden of eden is allowed to come out of the bottomless pit to possess him.

The person is the beast for the 42 month remainder of the 7 years, after he kills the two witnesses in Revelation 11. The 10 EU kings, which were in power back when he first rose to power as the little horn, will hand their EU kingdom over to him to be "dictator" for the remainder of his time - until Jesus returns to cast him into the lake of fire.

there isnt 5 thats the unbiblical thing that your saying to me btw

 

[Douggg]

there isnt 5 thats the unbiblical thing that your saying to me btw

All of these 5 terms for the person are found in the bible.

the little horn
the prince who shall come
the Antichrist
the revealed man of sin
the beast

Your profile page indicates that you are 17, 55 years my junior. Are you still in high school? And perhaps not completely familiar with what's in the bible?

 

[dóxatotheó]

All of these 5 terms for the person are found in the bible.

the little horn
the prince who shall come
the Antichrist
the revealed man of sin
the beast

Your profile page indicates that you are 17, 55 years my junior. Are you still in high school? And perhaps not completely familiar with what's in the bible?

haha first thing age does not mean you are knowledgeable of the bible secondly i am very familiar with the bible obviously yk that no point of eve saying that and also keep your pride to the minimum yo also saying your age is a fallacy and unbiblical and just plain disrespectful.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: ]
Who is the "he" who confirms a covenant with many for one week? Futurists, who believe that the entire 70 weeks is not yet fulfilled, contend that the "he" is the antichrist. we contend that the "he" is not the antichrist but is the Messiah the Prince, Jesus Christ. Let us prove that the "he" most certainly is Jesus Christ.
It has been argued by some Futurists that we teach the prince in verse 26 is Jesus, and that we therefore teach that Jesus destroyed the temple accord to the statement, "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." This is simply a straw man argument (an argument that attacks a belief supposedly held by another group while in reality the other group holds no such belief at all!).
Jesus is certainly the Messiah the Prince of verse 25. Nobody in Christianity argues that. The second prince noted in verse 26, "the prince that shall come," is not Jesus Christ. That is not the problem between Futurists and ourselves. The real issue is the identity of the "he" noted in the first phrase of verse 27.
What about the phrase: "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Some propose that saying Christ is the "he" in verse 27 demands we promote blasphemy! They claim that the aforementioned phrase can be rewritten to say, "and as upon a wing abominations, a desolator until the end," and that Christ can never be imagined to be called a "desolator until the end." However, a good marginal Bible shows the phrase, "…and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate," can be read as, "…with the abominable armies he shall make it desolate, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolator." It is not saying that Christ is an abominable desolator.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Another manner of saying the last phrase of verse 27 is, "on the wing of detestable things, or abominations, comes one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." This means the one who makes desolate is a different personage than the "he" who confirms a covenant.
Here is the ASV rendering:
ASV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
You can see a separation of the one who confirms the covenant with another one coming who makes desolate.
DARBY TRANSLATION: Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the protection of abominations there shall be a desolator, even until that the consumption and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.

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[Douggg]

haha first thing age does not mean you are knowledgeable of the bible secondly i am very familiar with the bible obviously yk that no point of eve saying that and also keep your pride to the minimum yo also saying your age is a fallacy and unbiblical and just plain disrespectful.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: ]
Who is the "he" who confirms a covenant with many for one week? Futurists, who believe that the entire 70 weeks is not yet fulfilled, contend that the "he" is the antichrist. we contend that the "he" is not the antichrist but is the Messiah the Prince, Jesus Christ. Let us prove that the "he" most certainly is Jesus Christ.
It has been argued by some Futurists that we teach the prince in verse 26 is Jesus, and that we therefore teach that Jesus destroyed the temple accord to the statement, "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." This is simply a straw man argument (an argument that attacks a belief supposedly held by another group while in reality the other group holds no such belief at all!).
Jesus is certainly the Messiah the Prince of verse 25. Nobody in Christianity argues that. The second prince noted in verse 26, "the prince that shall come," is not Jesus Christ. That is not the problem between Futurists and ourselves. The real issue is the identity of the "he" noted in the first phrase of verse 27.
What about the phrase: "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Some propose that saying Christ is the "he" in verse 27 demands we promote blasphemy! They claim that the aforementioned phrase can be rewritten to say, "and as upon a wing abominations, a desolator until the end," and that Christ can never be imagined to be called a "desolator until the end." However, a good marginal Bible shows the phrase, "…and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate," can be read as, "…with the abominable armies he shall make it desolate, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolator." It is not saying that Christ is an abominable desolator.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Another manner of saying the last phrase of verse 27 is, "on the wing of detestable things, or abominations, comes one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." This means the one who makes desolate is a different personage than the "he" who confirms a covenant.
Here is the ASV rendering:
ASV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
You can see a separation of the one who confirms the covenant with another one coming who makes desolate.
DARBY TRANSLATION: Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the protection of abominations there shall be a desolator, even until that the consumption and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.

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The stopping of the daily sacrifice is part of the time of the end vision of the little horn in Daniel 8.

In Daniel 9, that vision of the little horn, him stopping the daily sacrifice and committing the transgression of desolation was referred to by Gabriel in v23.

The 70 weeks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem - not on the messiah. One of the things to be fulfilled in the 70 weeks is to seal up the vision (spoken of in v23) and prophecy.

The vision of the little horn, the daily sacrifice, the transgression of desolation, and cleansing of the temple - lasts 2300 days.

The 2300 days fit within the 70th week forthcoming.

 

[dóxatotheó]

The stopping of the daily sacrifice is part of the time of the end vision of the little horn in Daniel 8.

In Daniel 9, that vision of the little horn, him stopping the daily sacrifice and committing the transgression of desolation was referred to by Gabriel in v23.

The 70 weeks are determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem - not on the messiah. One of the things to be fulfilled in the 70 weeks is to seal up the vision (spoken of in v23) and prophecy.

The vision of the little horn, the daily sacrifice, the transgression of desolation, and cleansing of the temple - lasts 2300 days.

The 2300 days fit within the 70th week forthcoming.


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you believe futurism interesting i would make a rebuttal but this isnt the right thread for this type of discussion

 

[Timtofly]

haha first thing age does not mean you are knowledgeable of the bible secondly i am very familiar with the bible obviously yk that no point of eve saying that and also keep your pride to the minimum yo also saying your age is a fallacy and unbiblical and just plain disrespectful.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: ]
Who is the "he" who confirms a covenant with many for one week? Futurists, who believe that the entire 70 weeks is not yet fulfilled, contend that the "he" is the antichrist. we contend that the "he" is not the antichrist but is the Messiah the Prince, Jesus Christ. Let us prove that the "he" most certainly is Jesus Christ.
It has been argued by some Futurists that we teach the prince in verse 26 is Jesus, and that we therefore teach that Jesus destroyed the temple accord to the statement, "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." This is simply a straw man argument (an argument that attacks a belief supposedly held by another group while in reality the other group holds no such belief at all!).
Jesus is certainly the Messiah the Prince of verse 25. Nobody in Christianity argues that. The second prince noted in verse 26, "the prince that shall come," is not Jesus Christ. That is not the problem between Futurists and ourselves. The real issue is the identity of the "he" noted in the first phrase of verse 27.
What about the phrase: "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Some propose that saying Christ is the "he" in verse 27 demands we promote blasphemy! They claim that the aforementioned phrase can be rewritten to say, "and as upon a wing abominations, a desolator until the end," and that Christ can never be imagined to be called a "desolator until the end." However, a good marginal Bible shows the phrase, "…and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate," can be read as, "…with the abominable armies he shall make it desolate, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolator." It is not saying that Christ is an abominable desolator.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Another manner of saying the last phrase of verse 27 is, "on the wing of detestable things, or abominations, comes one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." This means the one who makes desolate is a different personage than the "he" who confirms a covenant.
Here is the ASV rendering:
ASV Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
You can see a separation of the one who confirms the covenant with another one coming who makes desolate.
DARBY TRANSLATION: Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and because of the protection of abominations there shall be a desolator, even until that the consumption and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.

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This is why Revelation 13, when referring to Satan is God allowing it:

"it is allowed to perform in the presence of the beast, and

it tells them to make an image honoring the beast that was struck by the sword but came alive again.

It was allowed to put breath into the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could even speak; and

it was allowed to cause anyone who would not worship the image of the beast to be put to death."

Satan was allowed by God to make this time desolate. But only 42 months.

"It (the FP) was given a mouth speaking arrogant blasphemies; and it was given authority to act for forty-two months. So it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to insult his name and his Sh’khinah, and those living in heaven; it (the FP) was allowed to make war on God’s holy people and to defeat them; and it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."

There is only Satan and a FP who is proclaiming Satan by the authority of Satan.

"They worshipped the dragon, because he had given his authority to the beast (the FP)."

Satan makes an image of the FP. Nebuchadnezzar made an image from the words of Daniel from God. That was a type.

The FP represents someone from one of Daniel's visions and comes out as the end product of today's ideology. This human is enabled by Satan. Then Satan comes and together they build an image that looks human. It is Satan's Adam and Messiah and is supposed to save humanity from themselves.

But this is a result after the final harvest of the Second Coming. These events do not lead up to the Second Coming. These events are the result of the confirmation of the Atonement Covenant. Jesus Christ and the Atonement are the Revelation of Daniel's 70th week. The 7th Trumpet is the end and the Atonement is confirmed. Revelation 10:6-7

“There will be no more delay; on the contrary, in the days of the sound from the seventh angel when he sounds his shofar, the hidden plan of God will be brought to completion, the Good News as he proclaimed it to his servants the prophets.”

The Goods News is the Gospel, the Atonement. It is also the completion of Daniel's 70 weeks. It was the Atonement that has and will complete Gabriel’s promises on Israel and the Gentiles.

This is what leads up to humans choosing between receiving the mark from God, and removed from the Lamb's book of life, to follow Satan. Or beheaded to choose eternal life with God. In Revelation 20:4, those beheaded are resurrected to rule on earth with Christ for 1000 years. They can never die again per verse 6.

 

[dóxatotheó]

This is why Revelation 13, when referring to Satan is God allowing it:

"it is allowed to perform in the presence of the beast, and

it tells them to make an image honoring the beast that was struck by the sword but came alive again.

It was allowed to put breath into the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could even speak; and

it was allowed to cause anyone who would not worship the image of the beast to be put to death."

Satan was allowed by God to make this time desolate. But only 42 months.

"It (the FP) was given a mouth speaking arrogant blasphemies; and it was given authority to act for forty-two months. So it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to insult his name and his Sh’khinah, and those living in heaven; it (the FP) was allowed to make war on God’s holy people and to defeat them; and it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."

There is only Satan and a FP who is proclaiming Satan by the authority of Satan.

"They worshipped the dragon, because he had given his authority to the beast (the FP)."

Satan makes an image of the FP. Nebuchadnezzar made an image from the words of Daniel from God. That was a type.

The FP represents someone from one of Daniel's visions and comes out as the end product of today's ideology. This human is enabled by Satan. Then Satan comes and together they build an image that looks human. It is Satan's Adam and Messiah and is supposed to save humanity from themselves.

But this is a result after the final harvest of the Second Coming. These events do not lead up to the Second Coming. These events are the result of the confirmation of the Atonement Covenant. Jesus Christ and the Atonement are the Revelation of Daniel's 70th week. The 7th Trumpet is the end and the Atonement is confirmed. Revelation 10:6-7

“There will be no more delay; on the contrary, in the days of the sound from the seventh angel when he sounds his shofar, the hidden plan of God will be brought to completion, the Good News as he proclaimed it to his servants the prophets.”

The Goods News is the Gospel, the Atonement. It is also the completion of Daniel's 70 weeks. It was the Atonement that has and will complete Gabriel’s promises on Israel and the Gentiles.

interesting