Lin Wood says Sidney Powell's lawsuit "speaks TRUTH" and will be filed tomorrow

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What matters is what the court determines is or is not evidence of election fraud based on the facts and that's all that matters.

And the courts have ruled over and over and over that it isn't. I'm glad your with us in accepting the rulings of the courts: No fraud.
 
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You’re on the side that wants to radically override centuries of constitutional precedent and process. The onus is very much on you to justify that.

No...not at all...your claim is in dispute and indeed Judge Patricia Mccollogh ruled election likely Unconstitutional in Pennsylvania. More yet to come in Pennsylvania.
 
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Fortunately the US has a very robust and secure election system, making fraud a negligible problem.

And that statement is very much in dispute with overwhelming evidence in support of the opposite conclusion. Lots yet to come.
 
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Wouldn't that all depend on just how huge the thing is you're talking about? If it goes beyond the law of probability that a certain narrative can be true then the Courts or Legislatures can step in and call another election in certain states or throw out the results. If I understand correctly the law, the Legislatures would pick their electors to the EC. Saying that it's clear the Founding Fathers and the Constitutions actually prepared for an election like this.
If the founding fathers had forseen an election like this, they would have crowned washington their king, called it a day and drunk themselves into a stupor.
 
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If the court decisions are what matters, then there is nothing to be convinced of, as you say. So far, each court has dismissed every petition brought forward as having no merit - not just lacking in evidence but lacking in any kind of coherent allegation for which evidence would be needed. People giving 'signed testimony' that they saw something that ' wasn't right' or they couldn't get in to observe because the place was crowded, or because they saw a 'suspicious' pile of votes or a truck, or some other such thing, is only evidence of people expressing that they didn't know what was going on. This is hardly surprising as you had a large group of people already primed by Trump's twitter nonsense to believe the election would be rigged, and who were coached to 'challenge anything'.

None of the allegations is in any way something that ought to be taken seriously. There is nothing more in any of it than vague impressions of things people don't understand. Despite this being the case there is a belief that because lots of confused people were sent in to observe something they didn't understand and hence were even more confused at the end of it, then their confused accounts that 'something isn't right' must have some truth to them. There is no actual, real, reason to believe this. As you say, the courts will continue to look at what is presented, and tell the plaintives to come back if they ever come up with anything that can be called a real allegation of a real thing actually really happening.


Dismissing the 1000's of witness accounts and their affidavits as non-significant evidence will be determined by the court...that's all there is to say about the evidence.
 
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No...not at all...your claim is in dispute and indeed Judge Patricia Mccollogh ruled election likely Unconstitutional in Pennsylvania. More yet to come in Pennsylvania.

You're talking about this order:

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/kelly-order.pdf

And more did come, yesterday:

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-...5/2020/11/68MAP2020pco-104617959120808426.pdf

When the Penn. Supreme Court overruled that order and ended the case with no path to refile. So this claim is now dead.
 
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If one is truly interested in knowing or learning anything, they will search for themselves.

It's not up to me or anyone to provide you with anything you have no desire to find out for yourself.
We have looked. There is nothing out there that supports the claims of Trump idolators. That is why when Trump supporters make insane claims that the burden of proof is upon them. That is also why forty cases have been thrown out of court. Those supporting Trump only had crazy accusations and no evidence.
 
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No...not at all...your claim is in dispute and indeed Judge Patricia Mccollogh ruled election likely Unconstitutional in Pennsylvania. More yet to come in Pennsylvania.
You missed that that was thrown out by the state Supreme Court.
 
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And that statement is very much in dispute with overwhelming evidence in support of the opposite conclusion. Lots yet to come.
Odd that 26 days after the election, no one has seen it yet.

Will Rudy be presenting it two weeks from now ... on a Wednesday ... at a landscaping company ... a few doors down from the adult "book store"?
 
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To summarize how things are finalized with elections:

- last polls close (the first point anyone can even begin to claim any form of victory)
- a sizeable if not the entirety of the vote totals are counted (can take days or even a week) A projected winner is usually declared here (in this case Biden) nothing is binding at all
- States Certify their elections This means states are finalizing their vote totals.
- (we are here) recounts are done and concluded as needed. Some states are locked in before this, all are after this. Nothing can change the voting results once certified and recounts are concluded. The only way for results to change is faithless electors in the next step.
- The electoral college casts their votes after this point, the electoral vote is locked in and a president elect is formally chosen. Dec 14th for this year
- Jan 6 Congress announces the totals.

For those wondering when "its over, 100%", that would be dec 14th. Even if congress doesn't formally announce it in january, the EC casts their votes formally on dec 14. So for better or worse, this is issue will be dead and buried by then.

It doesn't matter if someone says there was fraud. Awkwardly, it doesn't even change the results if there was, once the electors cast their votes. Because we don't vote for president. None of us here (unless we have an elector here)get to vote for our president. We vote for which elector gets to vote.
They are supposed to insulated us from such problems, but they have shown they won't. They allowed a man with no prior public service and who was compromised by hostile foreign powers to take the highest office in the land. If you are looking for them to save you from voter fraud, even if it was real, you are going to be massively disappointed. Even if it could be shown that Iran, China, or whomever actually did change the votes, the EC won't do anything about it. They wouldn't do anything if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Trump benefitting. And this is one of the many reasons the EC has outlived its usefulness and should be disbanded.
 
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Fortunately the US has a very robust and secure election system, making fraud a negligible problem.
Well... let's say that the US preferes different methods of stealing people's voices.
 
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As stated...more yet to come in Pennsylvania...

In the days following the 2020 election, Sean Parnell and Mike Kelly have now successfully taken a case all the way from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to the Supreme Court. One Americas Jack Posobiec spoke with a Pennsylvania litigator to get more on the recent developments in this case.

Pa. unlawful vote case heads to Supreme Court | One America News Network
 
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As stated...more yet to come in Pennsylvania...

In the days following the 2020 election, Sean Parnell and Mike Kelly have now successfully taken a case all the way from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to the Supreme Court. One Americas Jack Posobiec spoke with a Pennsylvania litigator to get more on the recent developments in this case.

Pa. unlawful vote case heads to Supreme Court | One America News Network

Alito called for defendant responses for the 9th Dec, the day after Safe Harbour. This PA suit is done like a dogs dinner. Also, given the suit got rejected 5 times on its way to being rejected by SCOTUS, "successfully" is not the word to use.
 
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As stated...more yet to come in Pennsylvania...

In the days following the 2020 election, Sean Parnell and Mike Kelly have now successfully taken a case all the way from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to the Supreme Court. One Americas Jack Posobiec spoke with a Pennsylvania litigator to get more on the recent developments in this case.

Pa. unlawful vote case heads to Supreme Court | One America News Network
It was certified. How is this hard to understand. It doesn't matter if they rule it "unconstitutional" it is is the past. It is over. The only people who can change it now are the electors, and we have seen they won't.
 
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Well, certifications can most certainly be challenged if that is part of the a legal strategy, and there are still more legal avenues yet to be utilized in all the contested states. That's not counting any cases being brought before the courts by others.

The hearings are exposing massive election fraud not only to US citizens, but the world is watching all this unfold too.

The Trump administration is taking action against election fraud once and for all, and it's long overdue. So it's definitely over for the fraudsters. That may be his administrations single most important accomplishment.

President Trump will remain as President elect in the White House once all is said and done.
 
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Well, certifications can most certainly be challenged if that is part of the a legal strategy, and there are still more legal avenues yet to be utilized in all the contested states. That's not counting any cases being brought before the courts by others.

The hearings are exposing massive election fraud not only to US citizens, but the world is watching all this unfold too.

The Trump administration is taking action against election fraud once and for all, and it's long overdue. So it's definitely over for the fraudsters. That may be his administrations single most important accomplishment.

President Trump will remain as President elect in the White House once all is said and done.

Emphasis added.

The hearings have been doing no such thing. They're highlighting the insanity of Trump's legal team, who are putting forth contradictory narratives as they attempt to try to undermine the integrity of an election that Trump lost.
 
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Well, certifications can most certainly be challenged if that is part of the a legal strategy, and there are still more legal avenues yet to be utilized in all the contested states. That's not counting any cases being brought before the courts by others.

The hearings are exposing massive election fraud not only to US citizens, but the world is watching all this unfold too.

The Trump administration is taking action against election fraud once and for all, and it's long overdue. So it's definitely over for the fraudsters. That may be his administrations single most important accomplishment.

President Trump will remain as President elect in the White House once all is said and done.
No, the Trump administration s only taking action against "election fraud" in states where he thinks uncovering it would gve him a win. The whole effort is based on his absolute certainty that more people actually voted for him than for Biden. In other words, magical thinking. It has nothing to do with eliminating election fraud "once and for all."
 
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