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Lilith?

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Looks like Lilith isn't getting any votes here.

I have a suggestion:

Maybe it's because you called it a "creation myth"?

Why not up the question to "creation story" and see if that helps any?

I'm predicting it won't.

As am I -- nobody but you is interested in word games.
 
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Lilith is not a part of Jewish religion. It is mentioned only in the Babylonian Talmud, which is not considered a part of their Holy Word. Creation myth was worded correctly. Fiction did not start with Shakespeare. Fiction, including "bible" fiction started very early on, and the mixing of heathen believes into Jewish/Christian believes from the very beginning. I have made the choice to stick to only what is considered to be the word of God as handed down by the original manuscripts--and Lilith was not mentioned in them, nor found in the Dead sea scrolls. My choice. You may choose otherwise.
 
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I have made the choice to stick to only what is considered to be the word of God as handed down by the original manuscripts.
We don't have the 'original manuscripts', nothing even close to the 'original manuscripts'.
The 'original manuscripts' would still only be a story anyway.

"There was a man they said was the son of God", do those few words make someone the 'son of God'?
 
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Well, the Dead Sea scrolls have proven that the old testament has come down pretty much intact--and not one word of Lilith in them. Like I said. I've made my choice, you're free to make yours. Using your same argument, the word Lilith in some document doesn't make her real.
 
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Lilith is not a part of Jewish religion. It is mentioned only in the Babylonian Talmud, which is not considered a part of their Holy Word. Creation myth was worded correctly. Fiction did not start with Shakespeare. Fiction, including "bible" fiction started very early on, and the mixing of heathen believes into Jewish/Christian believes from the very beginning. I have made the choice to stick to only what is considered to be the word of God as handed down by the original manuscripts--and Lilith was not mentioned in them, nor found in the Dead sea scrolls. My choice. You may choose otherwise.

Well, the Dead Sea scrolls have proven that the old testament has come down pretty much intact--and not one word of Lilith in them. Like I said. I've made my choice, you're free to make yours. Using your same argument, the word Lilith in some document doesn't make her real.


Actually, Lilith is mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Songs of the Sage (4Q510-11)

The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English - Google Books

While Lilith isn't part of the Jewish religion, per se, she is a part of Jewish folklore and tradition.
 
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Lilith concept is a "tradition" and "philsophy" of man, it is not in the bible.

Colossians 2:8:
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Mark 7:8:
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Let God's word be the authority. We have the whole word of God passed down from generation to generation...we dont need no stinkin "scrolls".

John 5:46: For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
 
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Let God's word be the authority. We have the whole word of God passed down from generation to generation...we dont need no stinkin "scrolls".
How do you know it's the word of God? we don't have the originals so what there is now could have been altered a hundred times how would we know? we do however know of quite a few verses that were add much later.
The "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" incident was added much later also the resurrection passage in Mark consists of twelve additional verses (Mark 16:9-20) which are attached after verse 16:8. Because these twelve verses aren't in the oldest manuscripts, and are written in a different style, they almost certainly weren't part of the original gospel.
The ending chosen for most modern bibles is known as the Longer Ending (or Apocryphal Addition).
 
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