"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[AV1611VET]

It's not an answer -- it's a specific, legitimate question. Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

Paul Bunyan is, in my opinion, either a fallen angel, or a Nephilim.

He has no mother.

He was created ex nihilo.

 

[AV1611VET]

Eve.

GEn 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Did he marry his mother?

1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

So is the trash in garbage dumps.
Dogs are not evolving. Do you even understand the definition of evolving? Maybe dogs will "evolve" and lose their legs like snakes did, too. I suppose you also believe Genesis was being symbolic where it says God created them as man and woman and that it could have meant they were less intelligent poo-slinging apes that evolved into humans.

Your lack of evidence is very telling.

You miss the point.

Since domestication mankind has domesticated dogs and forced evolution upon them creating the enormous differences we see in the breeds today. Both the chihuahua and the great dane came from an ancestor of the modern wolf. Why is it so hard to think that instead over millions of years and with natural selection evolution cannot produce the diversity of life we see today?

To the genesis point, I place no symbolism in bronze ages texts.

 

[sfs]

Paul Bunyan is, in my opinion, either a fallen angel, or a Nephilim.

He has no mother.

He was created ex nihilo.

Why would you think Paul Bunyan was a fallen angel? If he ever existed at all, which is doubtful, he was just a logger. The stories about him being a giant were later inventions.

Do you believe every story you hear?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you believe every story you hear?

No ... that's why I don't believe in evolution.

But IF the stories about Paul Bunyan are true though, then he was either a fallen angel (created ex nihilo), or a Nephilim (created ex materia).

Your turn to answer my question please.

Who was Adam's mother?

 

[sfs]

No ... that's why I don't believe in evolution.

But IF the stories about Paul Bunyan are true though, then he was either a fallen angel (created ex nihilo), or a Nephilim (created ex material).

Your turn to answer my question please.

Who was Adam's mother?

IF the stories about Adam are true, then he didn't have a mother.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I see you haven't changed since our last 'debate'.....



I'm not going to waste my time with going back and forth with you, you revel in your refusal to learn about the facts of biology whilst proclaiming how wrong they are. You might not see anything wrong with this but I'm sure everyone else can.

If you've actually got a specific scientific argument against evolution please go ahead, otherwise we can assume that you're talking out of your hat and ignore your inflammatory rhetoric.

Not that I mind, I just thought it odd that you'd stick a quote in here from a month or 2 ago and from another thread altogether? What is that? Did you just get confused or was there a purpose?

Hmm? refusal to learn? I said I'd take a look at your evidence, proof, or whatever you have, but I guess you are like many, you have none, or you are afraid to present it...just more talk/excuses. No specific argument, I think evolution is all nonsense, and those who believe it are deluding themselves for reasons I've already given. Have I not always been clear on that point?

Anyway, whatever you want to do/not do works for me. I honestly didn't expect much..people around here often get weird when asked to prove evolution, and I do understand that completely, but it's nothing new.

 

[-57]

What kind of answer is that?

I'm asking you a specific, legitimate question.

Who (or what) was Adam's mother?

That is a good question. The Theo-Evo crowd completely disregards the bible on issues such as this.

For example...I wonder where this list changed from literal to fictional.


Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

Heli,Matthat, Levi, Melki, Jannai, Joseph,Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggai,Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda,Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri,Melki, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er,Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi,Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim,Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Boaz, Salmon, Nahshon,Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, Judah,Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Terah, Nahor,Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber, Shelah,Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, Noah, Lamech,Methuselah, Enoch, Jared, Mahalalel, Kenan,Enosh, Seth, Adam, God.

Luke 3:23 Mary’s linage

 

[-57]

IF the stories about Adam are true, then he didn't have a mother.

The authors of the NT present them as true.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I just like to pop by every now and then to remind you guys that the type of nonsense creationism that you spout is taken as seriously as the existence of leprechauns by scientists.

I get it, me too. I like to remind evolutionists that, from listening to some of their nonsense, I understand it's perfectly reasonable to believe that they not only evolved from a monkey, but beyond the upright position, they haven't evolved much further. However, the reality is, that's just not an excuse for their lack of common sense because it simply didn't happen that way.

 

[sfs]

The authors of the NT present them as true.

The authors of the NT also present them as types. The authors of the NT sometimes treat OT narratives as allegories. They sometimes completely change the meaning of OT passages. They do a lot of things, not all of which are things we would consider ideal ways of reading.

 

[-57]

The authors of the NT also present them as types. The authors of the NT sometimes treat OT narratives as allegories. They sometimes completely change the meaning of OT passages. They do a lot of things, not all of which are things we would consider ideal ways of reading.

Jude 1:4 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones,

ADAM PRESENTED AS LITERAL.

 

[sfs]

Jude 1:4 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones,

ADAM PRESENTED AS LITERAL.

Go read my response again: I said they "also" presented A&E as types. That means that I was agreeing that they presented them as historical. (Though I'm not sure you should be citing Jude here, since he's quoting a non-Biblical book. It's almost as if he doesn't know what's in the Bible and what isn't.)

Anyhow, could we get back on topic? When did the millions of mutations you carry occur among your ancestors? How many occurred per generation?

 

[TheQuietRiot]

I get it, me too. I like to remind evolutionists that, from listening to some of their nonsense, I understand it's perfectly reasonable to believe that they not only evolved from a monkey, but beyond the upright position, they haven't evolved much further. However, the reality is, that's just not an excuse for the lack of common sense because it simply didn't happen that way.

The difference is, your words mean nothing beyond this forum.

The study of evolution has and continues to be a scientific discipline worldwide.

You are being left in the dark ages of science, and the best part is you seem to be more than happy about it.

 

[AV1611VET]

The study of evolution has and continues to be a scientific discipline worldwide.

Then it should be right at home when we go to a one-world government, shouldn't it?

 

[Kenny'sID]

The difference is, your words mean nothing beyond this forum.

Difference from what? You seem to have squeezed out half a thought there. You replied to a post about monkeys, how does that comment fit with what you replied to?

Maybe you should stick with the "popping in and reminding", and leave it at that.

 

[-57]

Go read my response again: I said they "also" presented A&E as types. That means that I was agreeing that they presented them as historical. (Though I'm not sure you should be citing Jude here, since he's quoting a non-Biblical book. It's almost as if he doesn't know what's in the Bible and what isn't.)

Anyhow, could we get back on topic? When did the millions of mutations you carry occur among your ancestors? How many occurred per generation?

They occurred from Cain to the present.

Now, answer my question...what % of your 1% mutations are beneficial? Ballpark answer is fine.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Difference from what? You seem to have squeezed out half a thought there. You replied to a post about monkeys, how does that comment fit with what you replied to?

Maybe you should stick with the "popping in and reminding", and leave it at that.

Well when someone refutes you with evidence of evolution, that evidence is gleaned from real life data and scientific testing. When you say, nuhuh, it's wrong, goddit... well that has no relevance to anything outside of this forum except in the minds of dogmatic believers such as yourself.

In other words, your hypothesis is worthless as it has no grounding in reality.

Your petty monkey insult was ignored, but the irony was noted.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Then it should be right at home when we go to a one-world government, shouldn't it?

I will wait to hear what Kang and Kodos have to say on the matter AV

 

[sfs]

They occurred from Cain to the present.

Still not answering the questions. How many mutations had to occur in each generation of your ancestors? How many generations has it been since Adam, roughly speaking?

Now, answer my question...what % of your 1% mutations are beneficial? Ballpark answer is fine.

As I told you before, I've already answered this question twice, giving you a specific answer, my reasoning and (in one of the threads) references. There's a nice search function here if you want to read my answers again.