"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[-57]

However, the physical evidence provided shows that not to be so. Perhaps those deciding what is and is not scripture chose wrong.

The physical evidense shows you to be incorrect. You too should review post 3.

 

[-57]

No, I said God could possibly be a product of the Big Gang, as everything in the universe is.

Then where did the stuff of the BB come from prior to it going BANG!

 

[Radrook]

The problem is that when Atheist observe nature going about its complex organized business to them it simply proves that nature is quite capable of winging it on its own while to a believer in a creator it shouts design. In short, the atheist mind seems totally incapable of making the required inductive leap from general to specific that most of mankind effortlessly manages to make.

 

[Jimmy D]

Perhaps you should review post 3. It clearly shows your logical conclusion is incorrect.

Just reviewed it.... Post three only shows your incredulity.

"The process presented above is to sophisticated and complicated to have arrived by a process containing random chance and natural selection."

So you say.

 

[-57]

No, I said God could possibly be a product of the Big Gang, as everything in the universe is.

You're now saying God had a beginning?

 

[RickG]

You're now saying God had a beginning?

Why not?

 

[Jimmy D]

The problem is that when Atheist observe nature going about its complex organized business to them it simply proves that nature is quite capable of winging it on its own while to a believer in a creator it shouts design

Why do you mention atheists? Did you not see the Christians in this thread arguing against this nonsense?

In short, the atheist mind seems totally incapable of making the required inductive leap from general to specific that most of mankind effortlessly manages to make.

Apart from the logical fallacies and most likely false, unsupported statistics you've managed to fit into this sentence, I find the use of the word "Effortlessly" most telling. Maybe if you and your Creationist friends put a bit of effort into learning about the subject you would have a different viewpoint.

 

[sfs]

What are you comparing humans against?

Nothing. I'm just looking at genetic differences between people. If you start with a population of two, then any genetic diversity in that population starts out with the variants present in those two. If the population increases very rapidly (which YECs believe to be the case), then the frequencies of those initial variants won't change very much. If there was copy of a variant in the first couple, then it was at 25% frequency, and (if it survived the first couple of generations at all), it should still be at pretty high frequency today. So all the genetic variation we see in modern humans should be at high frequency, along with a small number of very low frequency variants from recent mutations.

Real genetic variation in humans looks nothing like that. There are more moderate frequency variants than high frequency ones, and even more rare ones, and even more very rare ones. In fact, the distribution (in populations that haven't been through a tight bottleneck recently) looks very much like the 1/f distribution we expect from a constant-sized population. That's why we know the human population size hasn't been smaller than ~1000 for at least the last half million years.

 

[-57]

The problem is that when Atheist observe nature going about its complex organized business to them it simply proves that nature is quite capable of winging it on its own while to a believer in a creator it shouts design. In short, the atheist mind seems totally incapable of making the required inductive leap from general to specific that most of mankind effortlessly manages to make.

I admire your faith in evolutionism. You can't prove or demonstrate it....sheer faith.

 

[-57]

Just reviewed it.... Post three only shows your incredulity.

"The process presented above is to sophisticated and complicated to have arrived by a process containing random chance and natural selection."

So you say.

So I and many, many others say. Can you refute it?

 

[-57]

Why not?

Then He wasn't the creator...It appears once again you need to change your bible.

 

[RickG]

So I and many, many others say. Can you refute it?

Its not a matter of refuting it, it is a matter of showing emperical evidence to support your and the said many others position. Where is the data and research to support that position?

 

[RickG]

Then He wasn't the creator...It appears once again you need to change your bible.

You are misrepresenting what I said.

 

[Jimmy D]

So I and many, many others say. Can you refute it?

It's your claim chief.

 

[-57]

Nothing. I'm just looking at genetic differences between people. If you start with a population of two, then any genetic diversity in that population starts out with the variants present in those two. If the population increases very rapidly (which YECs believe to be the case), then the frequencies of those initial variants won't change very much. If there was copy of a variant in the first couple, then it was at 25% frequency, and (if it survived the first couple of generations at all), it should still be at pretty high frequency today. So all the genetic variation we see in modern humans should be at high frequency, along with a small number of very low frequency variants from recent mutations.

Real genetic variation in humans looks nothing like that. There are more moderate frequency variants than high frequency ones, and even more rare ones, and even more very rare ones. In fact, the distribution (in populations that haven't been through a tight bottleneck recently) looks very much like the 1/f distribution we expect from a constant-sized population. That's why we know the human population size hasn't been smaller than ~1000 for at least the last half million years.

Humans were created with pretty much perfect genetics. Mutations typically degrade our genetics.

 

[-57]

It's your claim chief.

Translation...I can't refute it.

 

[-57]

You are misrepresenting what I said.

No, if God was the product of the BB...then you need to change your bible.

 

[sfs]

Humans were created with pretty much perfect genetics. Mutations typically degrade our genetics.

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.

Humans have lots of genetic variation that occurs in 10% of the population. They have ten times as many variants that occur in 1% of the population, and ~100 times as many that occur in 0.1% of the population. I don't care if the mutations are good, bad or purple: I want to know how they got into the population at those frequencies if we started as a single couple less than 10,000 years ago.

 

[RickG]

No, if God was the product of the BB...then you need to change your bible.

No, you need to change your view of the creation story.

 

[bhsmte]

Apparently you don't have common sense.

LOL