Lies about the Sabbath.

LarryP2 said:

This is an orthodox christian section of a Christian website and if you reject the clear orthodox christian teaching on the Sabbath, you probably should not be posting here. The orthodox christian teaching on Sabbath Keeping could not be any clearer: It is a rank heresy that for many thousands of years was vigorously-excommunicated from the Body Of Christ.

It has no place in Christianity.

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and neither does the rest of the law.

VictorC said:

All right.
Just one other point I should make: Whenever someone quotes or refers to Exodus 20, remember that this is the oral declaration of the covenant from Mount Sinai. The minor differences between this account and Deuteronomy 5 suggests that Moses is reciting what was written onto the tablets of stone. The minor difference concerns the Sabbath, and the rendition of Deuteronomy 5:15 should be compared with Exodus 20:11. You can see that in each case a previous historical event is drawn on as the reason to ordain the Sabbath. This is never acknowledged by Adventists.

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I doubt very much that an Adventist ever thinks about anything they don't get from their church. They're under orders by the profit (spelling on purpose).

Lollerskates said:

Except Christ, and god.

And I see you have no scripture. You know the verses I have quoted and paraphrased. The NC contract is with Israel. Since the common thought is the law is for Israel, what do you think you need to do t qualify? Re read the NC in Jeremiah and per Christ.

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Now how am I supposed to quote non existent scripture? I did refer someone to Acts on the covenant issue showing it included the Gentiles. Acts has plenty references showing Gentiles were included even to a Jews surprise.

from scratch said:

I doubt very much that an Adventist ever thinks about anything they don't get from their church. They're under orders by the profit (spelling on purpose).

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wouldn't that be profitess?

Sophrosyne said:

wouldn't that be profitess?

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I dunno. All my green stuff has male pictures on it. But for the women and the context I talk about all the time I concede.

from scratch said:

I dunno. All my green stuff has male pictures on it. But for the women and the context I talk about all the time I concede.

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Some countries have women on their money, and these SDA folks are from a different country for sure somewhere near Israel I am guessing.

Sophrosyne said:

Some countries have women on their money, and these SDA folks are from a different country for sure somewhere near Israel I am guessing.

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Elder 111 said:

So why did Jesus did give and keep the Sabbath then?

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Show me 1 text saying that Jesus kept the sabbath. Not saying that He did not. Why do you call scriptures of Jesus being accused of breaking the sabbath as Jesus keeping the sabbath?

Elder 111 said:

So God gave a pathetic law?We have a pathetic God? Lev. 19: 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
God who seems to be pathetic have given the ten Commandments and also said that we should love our neightbour. So how can they be separated now?

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What's all this pathetic God talk Elder???? Stop misrepresenting what people are saying.
Are you saying there are 11 commandments??? What are you saying anywayz???

Elder 111 said:

So God gave a pathetic law?We have a pathetic God? Lev. 19: 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
God who seems to be pathetic have given the ten Commandments and also said that we should love our neightbour. So how can they be separated now?

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What Elder111 does not comprehend is that his Church conducted several wide-ranging discussions on the conflict between Law and Grace, and concluded that there is no resolution. They are just incompatible. So Elder111 is fully in favor of Church Councils that completely reject the Bible as a basis for doctrine.

First and foremost, the Seventh Day Adventist Church itself has INDEED had three separate Church Councils where the Church as a matter of indisputable fact has rejected the Scriptures as a basis for Church Doctrine. Moreover, all three times the Councils decided to deliberately lie to the Church Membership about the complete absence of biblical basis for all three of Seventh Day Adventism's distinctive doctrines. So it is clear Seventh Day Adventists are ONLY opposed to the Christian Church Councils, but are fully in favor of their own Councils where the Bible has been systematically anihilated. Adventists find themselves in a rogue's gallery of anti-Christian cults that also reject fundamental Christian doctrine. Other odious cults that reject the decisions of the Christian Church Councils include Jehovah's Witnesses, The Way International, World Wide Church of God, and Mormons. Adventists find themselves in extremely BAD and anti-Christian company in this emphatic rejection of Christianity's fundamental doctrines. :

1). The 1888 General Conference "discussed crucial theological issues such as the meaning of "righteousness by faith", and the nature of the Godhead, and the relationship between law and grace and Justification and its relationship to Sanctification." As a result of this conference, the Seventh Day Adventist Church emphatically-rejected Righteousness by Faith as a doctrine, and strongly reaffirmed their present legalistic method of Salvation by Perfect Sabbath Keeping. The Church continued to reject both the Divinity of Christ, his Full Atonement on the Cross, and the Trinity as Church doctrines. Those interlinked, insanely Pro-Salvation-by-Perfect-Sabbath-Keeping decisions unambiguously demonstrate that Seventh Day Adventism is NOT a Christian denomination. Here is a good summary:

"Debaters and polemicists emerged, stressing the Sabbath, the Law, etc. — like lawyers arguing a case. Spirituality waned, and not a few became decided legalists. . . . Cold intellectualism and dry theory increased. Christ often became secondary, and Righteousness by Faith largely lost sight of, through outward profession without inner experience."
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"the presentation of the message of Christ as the only source of righteousness by two young preachers was going to create conflict with some members including church leaders."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888_Minneapolis_General_Conference_(Adventist)

2). The 1919 General Conference, where a consensus was reached by the Church's top theologians and Bible Scholars that Ellen White was a colossal fraud, a false prophet, an inveterate thief and a pathological liar. The conference decided to "kick the can down the road" and seal the transcripts of the meeting, in order to conceal this knowledge from the Church Membership and particularly, their seminary students. The upshot is that Church membership went on revering a "Prophet" that drastically fell short of all of the Biblical standards for prophets, and met ALL of the standards for a False Prophet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_Bible_Conference_(Adventist)

3). The "super-secret Committee on Problems in the Book of Daniel" met intermittently for five years (1961-1966) where Seventh Day Adventism's absurdly-unbiblical "Investigative Judgment" doctrine was discussed and although 48 of Adventism's theologians wrote papers on the subject, the committee was adjourned when no biblical basis for the doctrine could be found. The upshot is that the membership of the Seventh Day Adventist Church went on believing in a doctrine that its foremost Bible Scholars could find NO basis for in the Bible.
THE "SANCTUARY DOCTRINE" – ASSET OR LIABILITY

To recap, Seventh Day Adventists have no issue with Church Councils devising or supporting doctrines with no biblical basis. In three major historical instances, that is precisely what the Church has done. There is also no criticism of Adventist Councils' decision to lie to the Church Membership and Seminary Students about the complete lack of biblical basis for their doctrines. Thus, Seventh Day Adventists limit their criticism of Church Councils to the ones that were called by the entire Body of Christ in the early years of Christianity. The Christian Church doctrines that Adventists have historically-hated and strongly-opposed include the Divinity of Christ, the Trinity, rejection of the Sabbath as incompatible with Grace, and the Full Atonement of the Cross. In other words, Adventists have a history of despising all of the fundamental doctrines of Christianity. Every important fundamental Christian doctrine formulated at the Church Councils has been opposed at one time or another, by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. And their rejection of Christianity's decision at the Council of Laodicea - that the Sabbath is completely incompatible with the Gospel -
was absolutely proven to be nothing short of prophetic at Adventisms's own 1888 General Conference!!!

Adventism's entire argument against Christianity's Church Councils therefore is fatuous, dishonest, anti-Christian to its core, hypocritical and ultimately, completely self-righteous. No Christian Council has ever made a deliberate decision to lie to the members of the Body of Christ. That is a tactic that is limited to only Seventh Day Adventist Church Councils. The Church's own words condemning itself after the 1888 debacle are worth reviewing:

"Alas, what pride is prevailing in the church, what hypocrisy, what deception..... what desire for the supremacy! All these sins have clouded the mind, so that eternal things have not been discerned." –The Review and Herald, March 22, 1887.

"Spiritual death has come upon the people that should be manifesting life and zeal, purity and consecration, by the most earnest devotion to the cause of truth. The facts concerning the real condition of the professed people of God, speak more loudly than their profession, and make it evident that some power has cut the cable that anchored them to the Eternal Rock, and that they are drifting away to sea, without chart or compass." –Ibid., July 24, 1888.
The Minneapolis Conference and Its Aftermath | Official website of the Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement

You cannot get a more accurate statement regarding the horrifying, gut-wrenching spiritual catastrophe that Sabbath-Keeping almost always incurs, straight from the mouths of Seventh Day Adventists!

Elder 111 said:

The God that never rest has been resting since creation?

Ps. 121:
3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.
4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
5 The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand.

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You're trying to make a point that God does not need sleep or rest.
Tell us why does SDA theology claim that God created and kept the Sabbath weekly in creation.

The bible show that God 'ceased' because all His works was finished. The fact that all His work was finished, does imply that His rest is an eternal place on His throne in the Heavens.




The KJV translates Strongs H7673 in the following manner: cease (47x), rest (11x), away (3x), fail (2x), celebrate (1x), misc (7x).

Elder 111 said:

So God gave a pathetic law?We have a pathetic God? Lev. 19: 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
God who seems to be pathetic have given the ten Commandments and also said that we should love our neightbour. So how can they be separated now?

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Separated how? Don't you separate the law into categories?

Elder 111 said:

So why did Jesus did give and keep the Sabbath then?

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more questions that our answer are meaningless to you. We could answer this 100 more times and the fact is you aren't interested in the answers but deflection attention to the fact you aren't answering many questions here satisfactorily.

Elder 111 said:

So God gave a pathetic law?We have a pathetic God? Lev. 19: 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
God who seems to be pathetic have given the ten Commandments and also said that we should love our neightbour. So how can they be separated now?

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Tell me does loving your neighbor mean nothing to you? Jesus himself EXALTED this OVER the 10 commandments and you just reject Jesus words "the greatest commandment" and throw Jesus under the bus to say he was a LIAR that the Sabbath command is the greatest.

Sophrosyne said:

Elder 111 said:

So why did Jesus did give and keep the Sabbath then?

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more questions that our answer are meaningless to you. We could answer this 100 more times and the fact is you aren't interested in the answers but deflection attention to the fact you aren't answering many questions here satisfactorily.

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Exactly.
Elder111 appeals to fiction as a deflection, and hasn't provided an answer rooted in the reality that God didn't give the Gentiles in Barbados -or elsewhere- the Sabbath.

VictorC said:

Exactly.
Elder111 appeals to fiction as a deflection, and hasn't provided an answer rooted in the reality that God didn't give the Gentiles in Barbados -or elsewhere- the Sabbath.

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From what I see of SDA's they deal in smoke and mirrors. A tool magicians use is deflection to draw attention away from what is but a mere trick to making it a miracle. When something is but a trick and not reality as to what it seems you have to engage in things to distract folks from it. We have seen constant deflection and distraction by endless questions and comments while they pull rabbits out of hats and try and make us believe certain hats are magically imbued with rabbits and that the Bible is the source of rabbits in hats.

Sophrosyne said:

more questions that our answer are meaningless to you. We could answer this 100 more times and the fact is you aren't interested in the answers but deflection attention to the fact you aren't answering many questions here satisfactorily.

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That's how SDA doctrines are formed, in the grey area of the unmentioned.