Liberals and supporting the President

[ScottBot]

Nostradamus predicted that the first antichrist would be named Nah Poe Leon, and the second would have a name like the river Hister. He said the third would have an unpronounceable Arabic name.

Say Ahmedenijad 3 times backwards fast

 

[mike1reynolds]

Actually, the koran refers to Jesus as the Messiah on numerous occations, they just don't give credit where credit is due, and give him the honor He deserves as the holder of that title.

It is double speak. They basically say, yes we love the little punk. When you tell them that their expression of devotion to Jesus somehow doesn't give you that warm fuzzy feeling all over, they feel offended that you have questioned their piety. It is really a cult that programs people to be unable to see any other point of view but their own and the Qur'an's.

 

[Lotar]

Now what I don't understand is this whole "support Bush because Islam is evil" thing. Islam is evil, but this does not lead to the conclusion that we should support Bush's policies.

Look at this:
1. He claims that Islam is a peaceful religion.
2. His administration ignored the plight of the Afgani who was to be executed for converting to Christianity, until his base forced him to act.
3. He allowed Afganistan to keep Islamic Law.
3. He allowed the unrestricted destruction of one of the few countries in the Middle East that is a sanctuary of Christians.
4. He has ignored the pursecution of the Coptic minority in Egypt and has pushed them on reforms to allow more radical anti-Christian Islamists into the government.
5. He has supported the Turks, despite their history of genocide against the Greeks, Asserians, and Armenians, continued occupation of northern Cypress, and continued persecution of the Patriarch of Constantinople.
6. He supported and gave more power to the Kurds, despite their track record of persecution of Asserian Christians.
7. He has ignored the reality that only authoritarian dictatorial and monarchical governments are able to maintain any sort of moderate religious rule and policy in the Islamic world.
8. His pursute of democratizing the Arab world has only made it more radically Islamist.
9. His administration has ignored the pursecution of Christians in Bosnia.
10. His administration made a big deal out of the pursecution of Black Muslims in the Sudan, but has ignored the plight of the Christian south.

 

[ScottBot]

Now what I don't understand is this whole "support Bush because Islam is evil" thing. Islam is evil, but this does not lead to the conclusion that we should support Bush's policies.

Look at this:
1. He claims that Islam is a peaceful religion.
2. His administration ignored the plight of the Afgani who was to be executed for converting to Christianity, until his base forced him to act.
3. He allowed Afganistan to keep Islamic Law.
3. He allowed the unrestricted destruction of one of the few countries in the Middle East that is a sanctuary of Christians.
4. He has ignored the pursecution of the Coptic minority in Egypt and has pushed them on reforms to allow more radical anti-Christian Islamists into the government.
5. He has supported the Turks, despite their history of genocide against the Greeks, Asserians, and Armenians, continued occupation of northern Cypress, and continued persecution of the Patriarch of Constantinople.
6. He supported and gave more power to the Kurds, despite their track record of persecution of Asserian Christians.
7. He has ignored the reality that only authoritarian dictatorial and monarchical governments are able to maintain any sort of moderate religious rule and policy in the Islamic world.
8. His pursute of democratizing the Arab world has only made it more radically Islamist.
9. His administration has ignored the pursecution of Christians in Bosnia.
10. His administration made a big deal out of the pursecution of Black Muslims in the Sudan, but has ignored the plight of the Christian south.

Well, I am not going to comment on politics in this thread, since politics (especially American politics) is primarily a secular affair, not a theological one.

 

[mike1reynolds]

When did you get politiphobia? That was a devistating argument, and it was both theological and political.

 

[ScottBot]

When did you get politiphobia? That was a devistating argument, and it was both theological and political.

 

[stumpjumper]

MOD HAT ON

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Please post with peace and respect for fellow Christians...

Thank you.

 

[ScottBot]

MOD HAT ON

Thread moved from General Theology to Christian Current Affairs. The title has also been changed to better reflect the OP and eliminate any derogatory words directed at a group of Christians...

Please post with peace and respect for fellow Christians...

Thank you.

Thank you.

 

[CardinalBaseball]

There really is a LOT of similarity theologically between conservative Protestant denominations and Islam. Most of them would heartily agree with most of the sentiments in the Qur'an. I'll bet there are a lot of conservative Christians that would be just as happy if we blew up all of the non-Christian world and not just the Islamic part. That is their whole end time philosophy, the Rapture is like God's nuclear bomb to them.

For someone who seems to know everything, you sure are terribly wrong. Great assumptions in those few sentences.

 

[Lotar]

They have sola scriptura and iconoclasm in common with eachother.

 

[Yeznik]

Now what I don't understand is this whole "support Bush because Islam is evil" thing. Islam is evil, but this does not lead to the conclusion that we should support Bush's policies.

Look at this:
1. He claims that Islam is a peaceful religion.
2. His administration ignored the plight of the Afgani who was to be executed for converting to Christianity, until his base forced him to act.
3. He allowed Afganistan to keep Islamic Law.
3. He allowed the unrestricted destruction of one of the few countries in the Middle East that is a sanctuary of Christians.
4. He has ignored the pursecution of the Coptic minority in Egypt and has pushed them on reforms to allow more radical anti-Christian Islamists into the government.
5. He has supported the Turks, despite their history of genocide against the Greeks, Asserians, and Armenians, continued occupation of northern Cypress, and continued persecution of the Patriarch of Constantinople.
6. He supported and gave more power to the Kurds, despite their track record of persecution of Asserian Christians.
7. He has ignored the reality that only authoritarian dictatorial and monarchical governments are able to maintain any sort of moderate religious rule and policy in the Islamic world.
8. His pursute of democratizing the Arab world has only made it more radically Islamist.
9. His administration has ignored the pursecution of Christians in Bosnia.
10. His administration made a big deal out of the pursecution of Black Muslims in the Sudan, but has ignored the plight of the Christian south.

Someone just hit the nail of the head.

 

[ScottBot]

Since we are now out of GT, maybe Lotar can back all of those points up with credible references.

 

[Lotar]

I thought all those points were pretty well known. Which ones do you want citations for?

 

[ScottBot]

I thought all those points were pretty well known. Which ones do you want citations for?

No, those points are all political opinions. Technically, and Constitutionally speaking, he doesn't have the power to do anything about half of the things you accuse him of ignoring.

 

[Lotar]

No, those points are all political opinions. Technically, and Constitutionally speaking, he doesn't have the power to do anything about half of the things you accuse him of ignoring.

His administration had/has the power to act on a number of the points, and has the power to call attention to the few other points and introduce them into congress to be addressed.

 

[ScottBot]

His administration had/has the power to act on a number of the points, and has the power to call attention to the few other points and introduce them into congress to be addressed.

Congress doesn't have the authority to do anything about them either. Not that they really use the Constitution as a guide for anything. But that's the topic of a different conversation.

 

[Lotar]

Congress doesn't have the authority to do anything about them either. Not that they really use the Constitution as a guide for anything. But that's the topic of a different conversation.

Constitutionality is a different discussion entirely, which, frankly I could care less about. If they wanted to, they could do something about it, through foriegn policy, the UN or by other means.

 

[Carey]

Has become Virtually 100% Islamic.

He is a Politician and he has to say somewhat what they want to hear by saying their religion is peaceful while he is doing what he can to protect the vast majority of his citizens from Islam and he has done so hence no more attacks on U.S soil.

He support sthose who help his cause and 1st and foremost protect the home land.

 

[Lotar]

Has become Virtually 100% Islamic.

He is a Politician and he has to say somewhat what they want to hear by saying their religion is peaceful while he is doing what he can to protect the vast majority of his citizens from Islam and he has done so hence no more attacks on U.S soil.

He support sthose who help his cause and 1st and foremost protect the home land.

See post 43.

The Middle East is more like 80-90% Muslim. Kind of like saying there are virtually no African Americans in the USA. Just because you guys ignore Arab Christians and their plight doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[Christianson19]

Jesus was a champion of liberal values who was persecuted by a conservative establishment.

Hitler certainly brainwashed a lot of people, even in this country, such as Henry Ford. Quite the liberal *he* was!

I don't believe that Henry Ford was brainwashed at all. He had his anti-Semitic nationalist beliefs way before Hitler came into power. He was publishing his anti Semetic articles before 1920. I do not believe that Jesus would be liberal today. Plus to my knowledge when he would help people he would make them follow certain terms and believe in him. I doubt he would support a welfare state or something like that because being poor is a choice for a lot of people unlike in his time.