Liberals and supporting the President

[Carey]

I love you and so does God

But Being a Christian and being a leader of what the worl considers the most Christian country in the world are very different things.

Read the Quaran surah 8 and you will be at peace with our President and the theolgy he RUles by.

Educate yourself to the truth of our enemy because the media is very liberal and does not Talk about the truth of the religion of Islam.

The library has the quaran in English and there word for Chapter is surah
I pray you check out their Surah 8. Their theolgy is way different from ALL Christian denominations that Chapter will show you the truth

 

[mike1reynolds]

Jesus was a champion of liberal values who was persecuted by a conservative establishment.

Hitler certainly brainwashed a lot of people, even in this country, such as Henry Ford. Quite the liberal *he* was!

 

[Carey]

Our enemy and feeling better about what is necessary for our Government to do.

But yea Hitler brainwashed many he was one of the past anti chists

 

[mike1reynolds]

Ah good! Not many others around here seem to take much stock in that. Napoleon was an antichrist too, and he was a liberal, but his brand of liberalism twisting would fall flat on its face today, especially his calls to war and creation of the first draft. Hitler on the other hand could operate in essentially the same manner today, he would just have to tone it down.

Muslims are ultra ultra conservative. The Qur'an reads EXACTLY like a classic hellfire and brimstone conservative evangelical sermon. There really is a LOT of similarity theologically between conservative Protestant denominations and Islam. Most of them would heartily agree with most of the sentiments in the Qur'an. I'll bet there are a lot of conservative Christians that would be just as happy if we blew up all of the non-Christian world and not just the Islamic part. That is their whole end time philosophy, the Rapture is like God's nuclear bomb to them.

 

[Carey]

between Islam and Conservative Christianity is Islam wants to force the whole world to convert to Islam or kill them Conservative Christians simply
want to survive and if islam wants to kill them they will if they have to fight back. But are more than willing to allow Islam to exist.

Read Surah 8 in the Quaran and you will see.

 

[mike1reynolds]

I agree with you that Islam is more extreme in its conservatism and that Surah 8, The Spoils of War, is not compatible with the modern civilized world. However, this is only the most extreme example. The rest of the Qur’an is a bastion of conservative values that most conservative Christians would readily embrace. I think the whole book is demonic, not just Surah 8 on war booty.

 

[Carey]

the part about the spoils of war in surah 8
I was referring to the part in surah 8 thats says use whatever steads of war that you have to strike terror in the hearts of the infidel.

"infidel" is all non Muslims you realize that right?

 

[mike1reynolds]

I was referring to the whole Surah, its title in Arabic is, The Spoils of War.

 

[QuantaCura]

It's tough to apply the word "liberal" to so many concepts coherently because it means so many different things in different contexts. You said Jesus was a liberal because he was trying to change the status quo--but it could also be argued He was a conservative because He was trying to conserve the Truth of God from the Pharisees and their traditions of men.

Likewise, Napolean's brand of Liberalism and the kind that the Masons embrace (ie rationalism and civil government that makes no distinction between divinely revealed truth and error) are anti-Christian, while so-called liberal principles of just wages and charity towards the poor are very Christian.

 

[ROGER459]

(2Corinthians 4:3-to-7) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
(2Co 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(2Co 4:5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
(2Co 4:6) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
(2Co 4:7) But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Thanks, Roger459

 

[mike1reynolds]

You said Jesus was a liberal because he was trying to change the status quo--but it could also be argued He was a conservative because He was trying to conserve the Truth of God from the Pharisees and their traditions of men.

This is a contrived distinction, conservatives want to change the status quo if it doesn’t suite their needs at the moment. This is not a meaningful distinction unless given great nuance, it is not a black and white issue. With compassion, however, it is a black and white issue. Conservatives are all about selfish self-interest and a culture of corruption, i.e. a good ol’ boys network. Their argument is, “I don’t want to be taxed, so don’t help out the kids and old ladies.” Did Jesus express compassionate conservatism or real compassion? He didn’t tell the rich man to become something like a modern Republican, he told the rich man to give up all of his possessions. So much for the Biblical base of conservative tax policy.

Likewise, Napolean's brand of Liberalism and the kind that the Masons embrace (ie rationalism and civil government that makes no distinction between divinely revealed truth and error) are anti-Christian

Naturally the antichrist is antichristian, but the FOUNDING FATHERS of this country are too?!?!?

while so-called liberal principles of just wages and charity towards the poor are very Christian.

Then why do liberals always vote to increase the minimum wage while conservatives always vote to keep it the same and would certainly lower it if they could? Why are conservatives always opposed to aid to old ladies, children and school funding? Why do so many conservatives hate the teachers’ unions more than any other group, even more than they hate Democrats?

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

And some of us don't wait for the govenment to give money to help others and do it ourselves through church or charity.

Just so you know Liberals are smarter, wiser, better people/Christians then any other group they are incapable of being brainwashed and this thread getting deleted will prove that.

 

[QuantaCura]

This is a contrived distinction, conservatives want to change the status quo if it doesn’t suite their needs at the moment. This is not a meaningful distinction unless given great nuance, it is not a black and white issue. With compassion, however, it is a black and white issue. Conservatives are all about selfish self-interest and a culture of corruption, i.e. a good ol’ boys network. Their argument is, “I don’t want to be taxed, so don’t help out the kids and old ladies.” Did Jesus express compassionate conservatism or real compassion? He didn’t tell the rich man to become something like a modern Republican, he told the rich man to give up all of his possessions. So much for the Biblical base of conservative tax policy.

Again you are trying to apply these terms given their definitions in the American political sphere to subjects vastly different. The most basic definition of conservative is one who wants to conserve.

Naturally the antichrist is antichristian, but the FOUNDING FATHERS of this country are too?!?!?

They denied the King of Kings His Kingship and claimed authority has its source in the people or the inherent power of the state while Christians believe authority comes from God (see Romans 13).

Then why do liberals always vote to increase the minimum wage while conservatives always vote to keep it the same and would certainly lower it if they could? Why are conservatives always opposed to aid to old ladies, children and school funding? Why do so many conservatives hate the teachers’ unions more than any other group, even more than they hate Democrats?

I think you got confused on this one. I was saying those things you mention are Christian while being labeled liberal while things in other sphere's labeled liberal are anti-Christian.

Christianity really cannot be defined as just "liberal" or "conservative" especially given their context in AMerican politcs. Neither of the major American political ideologies are Christian. Each may embrace some Christian values, but neither can be characterized as Christian--primarily because the American system was designed based on rationalism and not Christianity.

 

[Carey]

????

 

[Carey]

I thought everyone new that

 

[ETide]

I thought everyone new that

I recall some history class (probably grade school) which basically said that it was to get out from under the church of England..

That's probably general at best.. but I'd be interested in hearing some thoughts from those that have studied these things out in depth.

 

[mike1reynolds]

Again you are trying to apply these terms given their definitions in the American political sphere to subjects vastly different. The most basic definition of conservative is one who wants to conserve.

That is linguist derivation, not a definition. Conservatives are not conservationists. Both liberals and conservatives want to conserves some things and modify others.

They denied the King of Kings His Kingship and claimed authority has its source in the people or the inherent power of the state while Christians believe authority comes from God (see Romans 13).

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin denied Jesus?

I think you got confused on this one. I was saying those things you mention are Christian while being labeled liberal while things in other sphere's labeled liberal are anti-Christian.

I was referring to your specific examples of charity and just wages. I’m not saying that all liberal values are spiritual values, don’t cast my view to extremes. I disagree with many liberal positions, I think pulling out of Iraq would be pure stupidity.

Christianity really cannot be defined as just "liberal" or "conservative" especially given their context in AMerican politcs. Neither of the major American political ideologies are Christian. Each may embrace some Christian values, but neither can be characterized as Christian--primarily because the American system was designed based on rationalism and not Christianity.

Well, it was designed to keep the Holy Wars of Europe in Europe. It was designed to keep exactly the kinds of conflicts we see on GT, out of politics, as much as possible.

While I may disagree with some liberal positions and agree with some conservative positions, I am referring to the generally totality of each. There are always individual exceptions, but as a whole, conservatism is more selfish and liberalism is more selfless. Christianity is all about selflessness.

 

[kimber1]

what does liberalism have to do with the Quaran?

 

[eoe]

No need to go to the library just click HERE.

Not that I agree with Carey on this but it is nice to have the reference....

 

[ScottBot]

This thread more appropriately belongs in a politcs forum.