Liberal Christians

[MrJim]

Ecumenism has to do with religion. I am not talking religion, I'm talking politics.

Okay then, let me put another hypothetical to you: Your only child has a deadly medical condition, and the only doctor qualified to perform the necessary surgery is a Hindu. What will you do sir: Let the man save your child, or let your child die because he is not a Christian? Every aborted baby was somebody's child.





That is my point precisely. I am not saying we need to go worship with them. But we are in a war against a force that is destroying the fabric of our society, and in such a war, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You can engage your activities in fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness to attain your goals; beware, there will be a reckoning...just be aware of those you choose to surround yourself with.

 

[Susie~Q]

I am definitely one, 100%.

 

[Forrest GOP]

You can engage your activities in fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness to attain your goals; beware, there will be a reckoning...just be aware of those you choose to surround yourself with.

That is quite interesting considering that you have a U.S. Marines emblem in your signature. The United States joined forces with the godless Communist Soviets to defeat Hitler in World War II. Would it be your contention that we should not have joined with them and instead allowed Hitler to reign in Europe? Do you believe that "there will be a reckoning" and that thopse Marines should have been "aware of those they chose to surround themselves with?> Most of them did volunteer you know.

Besides, I am not "surrounding" myself with anybody. And for that matter, there is plenty of darkness INSIDE of the church that we are already surrounded with, or have you not noticed that.

 

[Softly]

Hi Susie-Q, glad to hear it and nice to meet you

I can see both sides of what MrJim and Forrest are saying. MrJim is 100% correct that we need to be careful who we associate with and Forrest is 100% correct that we need to act against the evil that is happening out there, such as abortion, condition of our youth, media *but I think we are stuck with the filth on the media unfortunately* etc. however, MrJim, do you think that what you are talking about is more based on socializing rather than what Forrest is talking about? It seems to me that Forrest is saying that all people should join forces against evil. Of course all people should join against evil but can evil fight against evil? Let's say there was a support group called atheists against abortion, now I am against such murder, but I would not be part of that group. It goes right back to what I said about drinking. If we, as Christians even appear to be *buddies* with that support group what does that say about our life? How can we seem different or stand out? Please do not give me the line that Jesus hung out with sinners. He is God. We're not. He was on a mission as God in the flesh. We are nothing but fleshly humans.

Let me know if I am understanding you both correctly.

 

[MrJim]

That is quite interesting considering that you have a U.S. Marines emblem in your signature. The United States joined forces with the godless Communist Soviets to defeat Hitler in World War II. Would it be your contention that we should not have joined with them and instead allowed Hitler to reign in Europe? Do you believe that "there will be a reckoning" and that thopse Marines should have been "aware of those they chose to surround themselves with?> Most of them did volunteer you know.

Besides, I am not "surrounding" myself with anybody. And for that matter, there is plenty of darkness INSIDE of the church that we are already surrounded with, or have you not noticed that.

None of your examples make any sense. You seem to equate being a Christian with being a member of the military or being a particular occupation. I don't. So I can hire a Hindu doctor or get rescued from drowning by a Mormon and it isn't the same issue as joining in fellowship with these sorts to engage in culture war.

In any event I can see we have come to an impasse~carry on with your cause, best wishes.

 

[MrJim]

Hi Susie-Q, glad to hear it and nice to meet you

I can see both sides of what MrJim and Forrest are saying. MrJim is 100% correct that we need to be careful who we associate with and Forrest is 100% correct that we need to act against the evil that is happening out there, such as abortion, condition of our youth, media *but I think we are stuck with the filth on the media unfortunately* etc. however, MrJim, do you think that what you are talking about is more based on socializing rather than what Forrest is talking about? It seems to me that Forrest is saying that all people should join forces against evil. Of course all people should join against evil but can evil fight against evil? Let's say there was a support group called atheists against abortion, now I am against such murder, but I would not be part of that group. It goes right back to what I said about drinking. If we, as Christians even appear to be *buddies* with that support group what does that say about our life? How can we seem different or stand out? Please do not give me the line that Jesus hung out with sinners. He is God. We're not. He was on a mission as God in the flesh. We are nothing but fleshly humans.

Let me know if I am understanding you both correctly.

I do not trust the unbelievers (this would be all religions apart from Nicene Creed Christianity) in this kind of activity~~to fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness [Mormons, JWs, atheists, etc] leads to a path of destruction...the Church is insufficient to stand against the gates of Hell I guess, so we have to enlist Hell to help.:o

 

[MrJim]

That is quite interesting considering that you have a U.S. Marines emblem in your signature. The United States joined forces with the godless Communist Soviets to defeat Hitler in World War II. Would it be your contention that we should not have joined with them and instead allowed Hitler to reign in Europe? Do you believe that "there will be a reckoning" and that thopse Marines should have been "aware of those they chose to surround themselves with?> Most of them did volunteer you know.

Besides, I am not "surrounding" myself with anybody. And for that matter, there is plenty of darkness INSIDE of the church that we are already surrounded with, or have you not noticed that.

lol indeed there was a reckoning for embracing Stalin except the peoples of the Soviet Union paid the ultimate price living under the butcher...traded one devil for another.

 

[Jedi.Kep]

Conservative here. Can't understand 'liberal Christians'. It's like saying "Christian Athiest." The two words can't go together without something compromising.

 

[Softly]

Hey Jedi

I have to admit it is nice to see someone like MrJim who stands by his convictions no matter what others say.

Who thinks Obama will be re-elected? I cannot see it happening but maybe I am being naive. I would vote for Mit Romney before I would ever vote for Obama.

Another question for everyone-

Let's say that you are not happy with those running for president, do you still vote for the better candidate or not vote at all?

 

[MrJim]

Hey Jedi

I have to admit it is nice to see someone like MrJim who stands by his convictions no matter what others say.

Who thinks Obama will be re-elected? I cannot see it happening but maybe I am being naive. I would vote for Mit Romney before I would ever vote for Obama.

Another question for everyone-

Let's say that you are not happy with those running for president, do you still vote for the better candidate or not vote at all?

Not at all...."lesser of two evils" is still evil...

 

[charsan2]

Hey Jedi

I have to admit it is nice to see someone like MrJim who stands by his convictions no matter what others say.

Who thinks Obama will be re-elected? I cannot see it happening but maybe I am being naive. I would vote for Mit Romney before I would ever vote for Obama.

Another question for everyone-

Let's say that you are not happy with those running for president, do you still vote for the better candidate or not vote at all?

I vote for a third option. Let's hope the guy in the WH gets unemployed in a couple years

 

[Celtic D]

Mmm I've been perusing this thread with some interest, and I bring you greetings from your fellow Christians, the Liberal group, we will stand by you in Christian solidarity, even if you won't stand by us

Please feel free to continue trashing out faith, safe in the knowledge that we would not dream about trashing your faith

 

[Softly]

Mmm I've been perusing this thread with some interest, and I bring you greetings from your fellow Christians, the Liberal group, we will stand by you in Christian solidarity, even if you won't stand by us

Please feel free to continue trashing out faith, safe in the knowledge that we would not dream about trashing your faith

In my opinion everyone in this thread has been very mature and decent. I do not see trashing going on. I see people standing firm in what they believe and know to be the truth. I could say something like, uh oh here are the liberals to start trouble but I will not say that but your post could be taken as such.

 

[sanddjam]

Are there really any good old fashioned conservative Christians out there anymore? If so, I want to find you! lol. I am so sad to see the Christian population has become so liberal in their morals, thinking etc....

There is only on kind of Christians; the ones that follow and practice the teachings of Jesus Christ. The word Christian was derived from the name Christ as American is from America. Christians produce Christians as sheep produce sheep. Therefore, Christians have become rich, political, and complacent, and no longer carry out the "great commission" - Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, baptising them, teaching them to observe all things, making disciples of them. We have become barren thus fruitless and ineffective.

 

[MrJim]

Mmm I've been perusing this thread with some interest, and I bring you greetings from your fellow Christians, the Liberal group, we will stand by you in Christian solidarity, even if you won't stand by us

Please feel free to continue trashing out faith, safe in the knowledge that we would not dream about trashing your faith

Libs make great sport of conservatives~~there were some of 'em prowl the threads and talk about 'em over at TalkRat, probably still do. Libs are as bad as conservatives when it comes to "trashing out faith".

 

[supersoldier71]

Sometimes - far from always, and not everyone - it seems that so-called liberal Christians...the only people they really exclude is so-called conservative Christians.

 

[sealacamp]

as long as you are a "good" person all is well...

That may be true with one flaw in the theory, there are no good people. Only God is good and none of us are remotely close to being good, at all.

We are constant sinners;
how can people like us be saved?
We are all infected and impure with sin.
When we display our righteous deeds,
they are nothing but filthy rags.

Sealacamp

 

[Softly]

Sadly there will be a lot of good people in hell. The Bible is clear about it

 

[WannaWitness]

There is only on kind of Christians; the ones that follow and practice the teachings of Jesus Christ. The word Christian was derived from the name Christ as American is from America. Christians produce Christians as sheep produce sheep. Therefore, Christians have become rich, political, and complacent, and no longer carry out the "great commission" - Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, baptising them, teaching them to observe all things, making disciples of them. We have become barren thus fruitless and ineffective.

Actually, that's a very good way of looking at it. Christians should seek to be, well, Christians. It is established that Christians are people who have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, looking to Him and His Word for guidance in their own individual walks. That's all well and good. But, there are obviously different convictions, even among those of us labeling ourselves as "conservative" -- what Bible versions are okay, what type of clothing is considered modest, what TV programs are okay for Christians to watch (or whether or not to even own a TV set), what music is suitable for Christians to listen to, whether or not to use playing cards or dice, where the line is drawn between lust and mere admiring, and numerous other issues.

Now, I consider myself somewhat conservative (as opposed to legalistic). Conservative in that I like to follow what the Bible says the best way I know how, setting for myself what I feel to be reasonable standards based on how the Word of God speaks to me personally. I have expressed a few viewpoints here and there in which I come off a bit "moderate" to some (not that there's anything wrong with that), but it doesn't change the fact that I will always stand up for God's Word and what is right (which is precisely what has gotten me into disputes with those on the ultra-liberal side). How "conservative" one might view me is a matter of opinion.

My user page and some of my recent posts might give an idea of how I personally feel about certain things (as there is way too much to explain in one post). I fully understand that some might totally disagree with some of my viewpoints. That's okay; I'm not expecting you to agree. I just ask that they be read with an open mind, and to look upon me as a believer as you are, only with a different (as opposed to inferior) perspective. Then consult Romans 14, and continue to stand up for our Savior in the way that's unique to you.

Here are a couple of links for some insight regarding these type of issues:

http://barbarah.wordpress.com/2007/01/26/fundamentalism-and-separatism/

http://barbarah.wordpress.com/2007/02/17/fundamentals-and-secondary-issues/

God bless.

 

[1watchman]

What I mean is the world seems to be filling up with liberal Christianity by the minute. Those who decide it is ok to drink in moderation or do drugs because God made them or date several people at once, look at inappropriate material because it "does not hurt anyone", accepting of worldly ways and things. Women not being submissive, men not taking the lead, woman dressing provocatively, men "checking out" every woman who walks by. Those are just a few examples. The list goes on for miles. Nobody seems to be concerned with avoiding the appearance of evil these days. Ok, just my two cents

The prophecy in the latter days for the church is shown to become liberal and self-pleasing, and by many professing Christians who do not really trust Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Worldwide the violence, immorality, atheism and rebellion against reverance for God, and the carnal ways of mankind is all indicative of decline. Church truth is not regarded and so-called fundamental or conservative church groups are not. Yet, God still has His testimony in truth ---both in the Gospel message and in sound church truth, but not in the majority. This is being set forth by a Godly voice at biblecounsel.homestead.com I have found. We all need to be seriously seeking conformity to the Word in these last days, instead of following every popular voice.

-1 Watchman