BondiHarry
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Really? Jesus apparently thought otherwise. http://www.bible-history.com/pharisees/PHARISEESJesus_and_the_Pharisees.htm
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The Pharisees were not a religious group, but a political party. Certainly they remained Pharisees after they came to faith, Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimethea being the two known examples.
The Bible says that God is many things, love being one of them, but liberals tend to focus on the "love" and believe it excuses all manner of behaviour because to criticise would be un-"loving"...typically avoiding the fact that God is also judge who will one day cast the unrepentant into eternal fire.
Not a condemnation for being a Pharisee. Condemnation for being an unbeliever. Nicodemus and Joseph both became believers, as evidenced by their burying Christ's body just before the Sabbath. That didn't negate their being Pharisees. Just like Democrats and Republicans, there are good ones and bad ones, believers and unbelievers.Really? Jesus apparently thought otherwise. Jesus and the Pharisees
Not a condemnation for being a Pharisee. Condemnation for being an unbeliever. Nicodemus and Joseph both became believers, as evidenced by their burying Christ's body just before the Sabbath. That didn't negate their being Pharisees. Just like Democrats and Republicans, there are good ones and bad ones, believers and unbelievers.
Well, you feel free to call them what you want. The fact that they were one of four political viewpoints based on traditional Jewish teaching represented on the Sanhedrin shouldn't inhibit your view, I suppose.Jesus CONDEMNED certain Pharisee practices and beliefs ... when we come to Christ we abandon our former un-Godly ways and it is absurd to claim that the Pharisees were not a religious group when Jesus understood that they were.
Liberal Christians seem to be more Christlike than Conservative ones in my honest opinion.
One woman who considered herself conservative saw me reading that Bible, and told me that the sight of it offended her. Because I was pregnant and unmarried, I was a sinner and had no right to read it! Was she correct?
Everyone's entitled to his own opinion, whether it's based on reality or not, you know.Liberal Christians seem to be more Christlike than Conservative ones in my honest opinion.
It has been my experience that people will not come to Christ or embrace sound doctrine if they feel that they are going to be rejected, judged, or in any way looked down upon. Not that all conservatives automatically would, but enough will to make it a legitimate fear.
Let me give an example: I was a teenage unwed mother. My backsliding led me back to the Lord and to church, where I was given a Bible because at the time I didn't have one. One woman who considered herself conservative saw me reading that Bible, and told me that the sight of it offended her. Because I was pregnant and unmarried, I was a sinner and had no right to read it! Was she correct? Of course not! My very conservative Sunday School class reacted in shock when I told them that story. If anyone NEEDS to be reading the Bible, it's a sinner!
But her attitude is what many unsaved may, unfortunately, mistake for something typical of a conservative.
Are there really any good old fashioned conservative Christians out there anymore? If so, I want to find you! lol. I am so sad to see the Christian population has become so liberal in their morals, thinking etc....
Possibly, yes:
"Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you." (Matt 7:6)
She may well have, understandably, looked upon you as cheapening something precious. The key is whether you are (or are hovering on the edge of being) a repentant sinner or not.
I think you've hit the nail on the head in your closing comment. You have NOT been describing a Conservative but rather a Liberal's stereotype of a Conservative.
I think you're correct, mostly, but the previous "pearls before swine" comment makes me wonder.
Right, it wasn't you.Let's be clear that it wasn't I who used that phrase, please.
You didn't say what reading it made you wonder, but we probably had the same feeling--just too strong a comment to use here, even if it does come from the Bible.
I think the fact that I was going to church and had begun reading the Bible would indicate a desire to repent.
How is an attitude of "you're swine, and you're not worthy of anything holy," going to lead a sinner to salvation?
Definitely more loving and warm-hearted, has been my experience. I speak as one who leans toward the liberal, politically, but I hold very conservative religious beliefs. I am more comfortable in the conservative crowd when discussing Biblical doctrine, but more comfortable in the liberal crowd when socializing, or when discussing almost anything other than the Bible.
What this says to me is that conservatives would do well to work on their personalities and how they present the message. It has been my experience that people will not come to Christ or embrace sound doctrine if they feel that they are going to be rejected, judged, or in any way looked down upon. Not that all conservatives automatically would, but enough will to make it a legitimate fear.
Let me give an example: I was a teenage unwed mother. My backsliding led me back to the Lord and to church, where I was given a Bible because at the time I didn't have one. One woman who considered herself conservative saw me reading that Bible, and told me that the sight of it offended her. Because I was pregnant and unmarried, I was a sinner and had no right to read it! Was she correct? Of course not! My very conservative Sunday School class reacted in shock when I told them that story. If anyone NEEDS to be reading the Bible, it's a sinner!
But her attitude is what many unsaved may, unfortunately, mistake for something typical of a conservative.
I think the fact that I was going to church and had begun reading the Bible would indicate a desire to repent. How is an attitude of "you're swine, and you're not worthy of anything holy," going to lead a sinner to salvation? The verse you quote is true, and I have seen what swine do with pearls, but I don't think that should be *said* to the person, just in case there is that desire to repent, but the judgmentalism turns them away.
Not necessarily. There are a fair number of liberal "churches" looking to twist scripture to their ends - seeing you in that condition it would be reasonable to assume such about you. Personally I am sick of having liberals wave Bibles around claiming (falsely) that it allows and justifies their perversions, degenerations and failings, so I can well understand her response.
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