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After only reading the first page, I certianly agree the organized church is in a very sad state of afairs. Years ago my brother said it was only a social thing. I think I agreee more than ever. Who talks about Jesus at church except maybe in the class type setting even if there.
The interaction I get is about the same as I get from the clerk at the store. As a single male holding on to what I think are Biblical values I sure don't get much attention if any. Yeah in the singles aspect of a church I get hit on and usually by females desiring benefits. Nothing about Jesus. Sure I'm interested in other people and their needs, but I'm also interested in mine getting met.
1. Do liberal Christians reject the concepts of regeneration of the Holy Spirit, eternal separation from God due to rejecting Christ (hell), the in errancy of the Scriptures, rebuking sin in another believer, and striving for holiness as Christ called for?
2. Do liberal Christians reject the concept of sin altogether and claim it's merely "personal interpretation"?
3. Do liberal Christians bash evangelicals about striving for holiness?
4. Do liberal Christians believe the only passages in the Bible that pertain to them are the ones in red print and everything else was merely the jaded opinions of men?
5. Do liberal Christians believe all paths lead to heaven, even if they are paths that blatantly disregard God's authority and supremacy?
6. Do liberal Christians believe all one must do is believe Jesus existed and be tolerant in order to profess Christianity?
7. Do liberal Christians believe it's okay to support things that are the complete antithesis to the Scriptures, all for the sake of being tolerant and loving?
8. Do liberal Christians act and speak in a manner befitting of a Christian (being separate from the world, being in the world, but not of the world), or would no one readily identify them as a Christian based on the words and deeds alone? Would someone be shocked to discover this person is a professing Christian?
9. Do liberal Christians prefer the company of liberal non-christians, because they're so open-minded, than actual believers?
I can only answer for myself, not all liberal Christians everywhere, but here goes:
I don't reject it, but I do believe - as I said before - that we're all responsible for the sin we perceive in our own lives, not the sin we perceive in other people's lives. My sin is between myself and God.
David.
So, rather than being our brother's keeper, you prefer to keep the philosophy "I'm OK, You're OK"?
I don't know you, I've vaguely seen you around the boards but don't know what you believe, but I have posted (for years) with other liberal Christians, and they definitely believe in the 'I don't have to change, God loves me just as I am' philosophy, and extends that same philosophy to others.
This is so completely contrary to what is talked about in the Bible that it leaves me wondering where sanctification comes in. Do you believe that once one has been "saved" (for lack of a better word) that they are free do do what they wish and ignore what God wishes?
Yes, my sin is between me and God, but I know for myself, I have been extremely grateful for when others stepped in and made me look hard at myself. How can I grow and put something off if I don't see it as the sin it is, or perhaps don't even know I am doing it?
So, rather than being our brother's keeper, you prefer to keep the philosophy "I'm OK, You're OK"?
Perhaps this scripture will answer your question:
4 Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else.
Galatians 6.
I think every Christian is more than capable, through the working of the Holy Spirit, to discern sin in their own lives, and to be aware of what God would have them do to change their lives.
Yet Jesus spoke of the Matthew 7 'Lord, Lord' folks who are firmly convinced they are faithful, SAVED servants of the Lord yet are denied by Jesus because THEY DID NOT DISCERN THE SIN IN THEIR OWN LIVES and were workers of iniquity. As the saying goes, there are none so blind as he who will not see.
I think every Christian is more than capable, through the working of the Holy Spirit, to discern sin in their own lives, and to be aware of what God would have them do to change their lives. I don't rule out the value of the input of other Christians - but then being part of a Christian church, being part of a house group, being part of a prayer partnership, being under the authority of a good eldership team, all those things will put a person in a position where such input can happen. But that doesn't mean there's any value in someone - known to you or otherwise - being a busybody, making assumptions about your life or about God's will for your life.
David.
I think that even though we try to cooperate with the HS's guidance, that our old man is still in there fighting against it, and we are blind in many areas in regards to ourselves. Many times God uses other people, even people we don't know, to convict us of our sins. Regarding someone as a busybody just because they have pointed out a sin you might be struggling with could mean you are turning away the help that God sends.
I learned a long time ago that everyone who is Christs is given a bit of the truth, that none of us are given the same bit, and that it takes all of us together to see the largest piece of truth that God will allow us to see. That said, it is as Dawn has stated, people see things in us that we do not see and vice versa. As brothers and sisters it is out duty to help each of us to see our blind spots. As for those that have not surrendered to the Lord it is out duty to point them to the truth, even if they don't listen or appreciate it. There is nothing busy body about showing love for each other and the lost in this world by trying to keep each one in the light of the Lords truth that makes us all free.
Sealacamp
You know what I don't understand? I don't understand people whose relationship with God is so uninspired that they don't feel it is worth sharing with other people. I burst at the seams with joy, not just because God reached down and made me His, but because falling in line with His will brings its own joys and peace. I just don't understand how people are so uninspired about this.
I'm new here and have tried to participate in the liberal (what ever that means) forums only to find that there is really no room for open differing pointed opinions. I went there because I thought that was the open minded forum but I guess I was wrong.
I'm new here and have tried to participate in the liberal (what ever that means) forums only to find that there is really no room for open differing pointed opinions. I went there because I thought that was the open minded forum but I guess I was wrong.
So, rather than being our brother's keeper, you prefer to keep the philosophy "I'm OK, You're OK"?
I don't know you, I've vaguely seen you around the boards but don't know what you believe, but I have posted (for years) with other liberal Christians, and they definitely believe in the 'I don't have to change,
More spin. See, you even attempt to spin my mention of spin. It's okay, it's a typical liberal trait so I'll overlook it and attempt to get to my point. Since you cannot answer my very simple questions, I'll post them again so as not to be missed among a giant wall of text:
1. Do liberal Christians reject the concepts of regeneration of the Holy Spirit, eternal separation from God due to rejecting Christ (hell), the in errancy of the Scriptures, rebuking sin in another believer, and striving for holiness as Christ called for?
2. Do liberal Christians reject the concept of sin altogether and claim it's merely "personal interpretation"?
3. Do liberal Christians bash evangelicals about striving for holiness?
4. Do liberal Christians believe the only passages in the Bible that pertain to them are the ones in red print and everything else was merely the jaded opinions of men?
5. Do liberal Christians believe all paths lead to heaven, even if they are paths that blatantly disregard God's authority and supremacy?
6. Do liberal Christians believe all one must do is believe Jesus existed and be tolerant in order to profess Christianity?
7. Do liberal Christians believe it's okay to support things that are the complete antithesis to the Scriptures, all for the sake of being tolerant and loving?
8. Do liberal Christians act and speak in a manner befitting of a Christian (being separate from the world, being in the world, but not of the world), or would no one readily identify them as a Christian based on the words and deeds alone? Would someone be shocked to discover this person is a professing Christian?
9. Do liberal Christians prefer the company of liberal non-christians, because they're so open-minded, than actual believers?
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