Liberal and Conservative

[SkyWriting]

The first is correct, but(!) people misunderstand scripture when they rely on isolated verses -- especially when someone has told them some doctrine to filter/slant/reduce the verses into -- without the full reading through the books the verses are in that would give them correct understanding (if they are humble to listen and hear).

The old testament is quoted 855 times in the new testament with not one appeal to the original context. And often clearly different context is applied to unrelated topics. In one case, God created man first, so women should not have authority over men. How is that the same context?

Coffee is brewed first, so eggs should not be consumed before coffee or lifted higher than the coffee level in ones cup.

 

[Albion]

You may say Fanatical Conservatives if you wish. That's appropriate.

I would rather use an accurate characterization.

 

[RDKirk]

A resent post claims Trump is lying again because he said Obama's yard fence is 10 foot when it looks more like 7.5 ft to me.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/resi...aws.com/public/JA3BMDWZZAI6NIHG2UBNM5I3ZA.jpg

LOL, in Dallas everyone has six- to eight-foot fences. Mine are that high, and I have a motorized gate.

 

[SkyWriting]

LOL, in Dallas everyone has six- to eight-foot fences. Mine are that high, and I have a motorized gate.

Obama does have a rolling gate in front. With guard posts front to back on the side, I think it qualifies as a "compound" compared to the neighbors. Just my opinion. Don't call me a liar it it's not heafty enough to be a walled compound.

obamas home fence - Google Search

 

[SkyWriting]

I would rather use an accurate characterization.

Extremist Conservatives think women should not speak in church and should only talk at home, as scripture states. They should never hold a higher position in the church over any man.

 

[RDKirk]

Obama does have a rolling gate in front. With guard posts front to back on the side, I think it qualifies as a "compound" compared to the neighbors. Just my opinion. Don't call me a liar it it's not heafty enough to be a walled compound.

obamas home fence - Google Search

Let's not pretend Obama is not a former president whose security isn't still the responsibility of the Secret Service (who probably advised, if not insisted, on perimeter security). Have you seen the security around George Bush's properties? It's pretty awesome.

 

[SkyWriting]

Let's not pretend Obama is not a former president whose security isn't still the responsibility of the Secret Service (who probably advised, if not insisted, on perimeter security). Have you seen the security around George Bush's properties? It's pretty awesome.

All presidents receive secret service protection for life for their immediate family.

 

[RDKirk]

All presidents receive secret service protection for life for their immediate family.

And so, what it the issue with fence around Obama's house?

Said a neighbor:

“There’s a fence that goes along the front of the house, but it’s the same as the other neighbors have,” the neighbor said. “It’s tastefully done.”

 

[SkyWriting]

And so, what it the issue with fence around Obama's house?

Said a neighbor:

“There’s a fence that goes along the front of the house, but it’s the same as the other neighbors have,” the neighbor said. “It’s tastefully done.”

He is adding a fence across the back of the house, which also has a guard house.
Trump is commenting that Obama wants better security with full time security, and the US deserves it as a country as well. The height and tasteful design of the fence is not the issue. Additionally, Obama signed the law for lifetime SS security for presidents. What about the US then? Don't we deserve higher security? My opinion, open the border.

 

[hedrick]

He is adding a fence across the back of the house, which also has a guard house.
Trump is commenting that Obama wants better security with full time security, and the US deserves it as a country as well. The height and tasteful design of the fence is not the issue.

Right. But it's practical to fence in a couple of houses. It's not a sensible use of funding to do the whole border. Not to say we should have no border security, but the actual challenges to the border are different than to Obama's house. I'd be happy to see a substantial amount of funding to be spent according a rational assessment by people with experience guarding the border. But the amount of money involved is too much for a vanity project.

 

[RDKirk]

He is adding a fence across the back of the house, which also has a guard house.
Trump is commenting that Obama wants better security with full time security, and the US deserves it as a country as well. The height and tasteful design of the fence is not the issue. Additionally, Obama signed the law for lifetime SS security for presidents. What about the US then?

There is not a correlation.

 

[SkyWriting]

There is not a correlation.

There is no correlation between Obama beefing up security around his house with added guard houses, and the lack of increased security on the mexican border. Good observation.

 

[Paidiske]

...and they are to be characterized as "conservatives" for that reason???? That, after all, is the topic (Liberal and Conservative), not Women's Ordination.

Oh, come on, Albion. You and I both know that on a spectrum from "highly conservative" to "highly liberal" folks who "dream of women being silent in church and holding no authority positions" are not clustered up the liberal end. It's why people on this forum characterise me as a liberal, despite me not considering myself either theologically or socially particularly liberal!

Now, is that true of every conservative? Of course not. But that was the point I was making; it's only true of some.

 

[SkyWriting]

Right. But it's practical to fence in a couple of houses. It's not a sensible use of funding to do the whole border. Not to say we should have no border security, but the actual challenges to the border are different than to Obama's house. I'd be happy to see a substantial amount of funding to be spent according a rational assessment by people with experience guarding the border. But the amount of money involved is too much for a vanity project.

It was a political plank for Trump, and it's not going away becasue you thinks it's vainity to curb immigration. I've worked with illegal Mexicans who swam the ocean to avoid the border for over a decade.

 

[Halbhh]

The old testament is quoted 855 times in the new testament with not one appeal to the original context. And often clearly different context is applied to unrelated topics. In one case, God created man first, so women should not have authority over men. How is that the same context?

We agree on those observations but for the first (if I even understand what you mean; Any case, often the full context in the OT isn't needed, other times only a part is needed, to get all pointed to in the NT; various situations). How are you doing today? Happy New Year.

 

[Albion]

Oh, come on, Albion. You and I both know that on a spectrum from "highly conservative" to "highly liberal" folks who "dream of women being silent in church and holding no authority positions" are not clustered up the liberal end. It's why people on this forum characterise me as a liberal, despite me not considering myself either theologically or socially particularly liberal!

Now, is that true of every conservative? Of course not. But that was the point I was making; it's only true of some.

OK, then we must in good conscience also say that some liberals have taken the same position. But for some reason, that wasn't included in the assessment, was it?

It is because people use the words liberal and conservative as pejoratives and without accounting for what the terms truly mean. For example, it is simply wrong to think of liberals as people who love and value every human being while conservatives are the grouchy old men who tell the kids to get off the lawn. But that's the way the words get used, more often than not.

 

[Paidiske]

OK, then we must in good conscience also say that some liberals have taken the same position. But for some reason, that wasn't included in the assessment, was it?

Oh good grief. SkyWriting said something negative about conservatives, I said, well, only some conservatives, and now you want to pick on me for not adding, "and some liberals, too?" Give me a break!

For what it's worth I have never met a self-identified liberal who "dream of women being silent in church and holding no authority positions." I'm willing to concede that such a person may, in theory, exist.

It is because people use the words liberal and conservative as pejoratives and without accounting for what the terms truly mean.

I actually agree with you about this, which is part of why I don't tend to use either term of myself or apply them to others. They're imprecise and mostly terms of abuse.

Edit: I don't know why this post has weird strike through effects, and I can't seem to fix it, sorry!

 

[RDKirk]

There is no correlation between Obama beefing up security around his house with added guard houses

That would be the Secret Service that is beefing up security around Obama's house. They way they put several million dollars of added security into Bush's private home here in Texas.

 

[SkyWriting]

Oh good grief. SkyWriting said something negative about conservatives, I said, well, only some conservatives, and now you want to pick on me for not adding, "and some liberals, too?" Give me a break!

For what it's worth I have never met a self-identified liberal who "dream of women being silent in church and holding no authority positions." I'm willing to concede that such a person may, in theory, exist.



I actually agree with you about this, which is part of why I don't tend to use either term of myself or apply them to others. They're imprecise and mostly terms of abuse.

Edit: I don't know why this post has weird strike through effects, and I can't seem to fix it, sorry!

Cool strike though!

 

[SkyWriting]

Oh good grief. SkyWriting said something negative about conservatives, I said, well, only some conservatives, and now you want to pick on me for not adding, "and some liberals, too?" Give me a break!

Take a break. You don't need to read every topic surfers brand of poetry.